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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #44 from previous page: November 09, 2006, 05:34:14 PM »
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I love seeing the old girls at Amiga meets, but as time goes on their numbers will continue to dwindle.


I don't know about that. I've seen some that are fragile and others that are in GREAT shape. Fortunately most of mine are of the latter.. excellent condition!
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2006, 05:38:22 PM »
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I love seeing the old girls at Amiga meets, but as time goes on their numbers will continue to dwindle.


I don't know about that. I've seen some that are fragile and others that are in GREAT shape. Fortunately most of mine are of the latter.. excellent condition!


As time goes on that proportion will only increase toward the fragile end of the scale.

What surprises me the most about all of this is just how much of the old kit works at all!

Good to know there are people out there that look after it all  :-)
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2006, 07:04:42 PM »
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When it comes down to it, MorphOS is the future of AmigaOS.


even that remains to be seen.  They've never heard of project management before or deadlines etc.  If they were to keep track of progress/work being done like AROS Devel does then I'd be more then I'd take your comment into consideration.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2006, 07:05:10 PM »
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Some seem to suggest MorphOS, but as been pointed out by others, it seems to only offer a dead end that's very similar to the Amiga.


I don't see your point.

You have a good A 4000 CSPPC, so you have the lucky opportunity to try  a modern Amiga-Like OS like MorphOS.

It is not suggesting you to try or not a dead end.

It is mounting on your computer a modern AmigaOS-like Operating System.

With MorphOS you will start exploring the brave new world of PPC-only and Amiga-Like OSes such as like AmigaOS and MorphOS.

Just try it, and if you like it, you at least re-juvenate your A4000, because then PPC will work at its best performance working with MorphOS.

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Then, regarding new hardware for existing AmigaOS and MorphOS.

AmigaOS could continue survive on new Samantha from Italy, the new Panda Board, which are the major candidates...

And perhaps there is AROS that runs on PPC, X86, and it has being ported to support 64bit X86...

...and someone rumors of a misteriooooous italian project Moana, a full size board with high clocked CPU, at very cheap price, due to new incoming family of PPC processors.

About MorphOS it works on Efika boards, except the fact, it has been tested for internal use of Genesi and MorphOS team and actually it will be not sold with Efika.

We however are waiting for the heir of Pegasos II, the Pegasos III based on dual core PPC G4 model 8641D, clocked at 1,7 GHz.

Such a processor clocked at 1,7 GHz should let many Intel Core Duo, clocked at same speed to bit the dust.

By the way, it has recently noted that 8641D run flawlessly asymmetrical processing with one core at a time, so for the first times, it will be no necessary to transform either AmigaOS nor MorphOS to achieve SMP Operating Systems features.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2006, 08:54:25 PM »
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Well, at least we own our OS, and don't need to worry about licensing issues.



yet the collective "you" "we" wont support other hardware "officially".  Myself, a person looking from the outside in, all I see is a bunch of coders that think they are 1337.  

In the beginning you'all had high hopes of MOS.  The Genesi deal didnt work out.  You guys didnt release any new version of MOS until some counter or whatever reached 0.  (you said yourself its not about the money)  Never happend nor is it going to.  BBRV, in his own way tries to make amends (at least thats what it looked like to me) to sell MOS on Freescale's site.  Everything is there for "you" "we" to make money yet you'all dont need the money..

"Hey you'd better not promote our product without our permission!"  "We dont care to be known"  (heavy on the sarcasm..)

So keep working on MOS for your own little clique of programmers..release whatever "internal betas" with whatever features because even support for your OS is dying.  

If the rumors are true that the Pegasos board (the original) will not be made anymore, then thats great news.  Smartest thing BBRV has ever done.  Why?  Because it will force MOS to conform to new hardware.  Support new hardware or end up getting de-supported yourself.

Sorry about the rant Amiga fans.  I'm just tired of collective NOBODYS jerking users around.


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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2006, 09:01:31 PM »
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We however are waiting for the heir of Pegasos II, the Pegasos III based on dual core PPC G4 model 8641D, clocked at 1,7 GHz.



I dont think thats the answer though.  It will be expensive.  Right now for whats left of the Amiga market, we need something cheap and good and a OS development team that keeps the public up-to-date on what is going on with the OS. Bugs, fixes, updates etc.  
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2006, 09:14:13 PM »
I'd love to see OS4 release with all new hardware.

But I think a realistic option for those of us who are still happy to play with classic systems and software are these FPGA Amiga clones.

As our original hardware fails, hopefully in future, we will be able to buy replica amiga hardware in this form.

Five years ago, Commodore 64 enthusiasts never would have though there would be newly produced C-64 computers.  Now they have both the C-One and the Commodore 64-DTV.  Both are not only new implementations of the hardware, but offer EXPANDED features (in the case of the DTV, new colour and graphics modes).

When it finally becomes feasible to produce an Amiga in a joystick, someone will do it.  Then we can hack it back into a case.  Maybe one day it will be feasible to put the equivalent of an Amiga/060/RTG graphics/sound on a single chip.  There's no reason why this hardware even has to be limited to the speed of the original 68XXX chips.  It could technically be a 68000, but run at many times the speed of one.

While this isn't a path forward, it's at least a continuation of the classic Amiga line for those of us who like to use that.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2006, 12:19:24 AM »
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And perhaps there is AROS that runs on PPC, X86, and it has being ported to support 64bit X86...


Currently, AROS runs on x86 (native, hosted and emulated), PPC Hosted (work is being done on native PPC which will eventually include EFIKA).  X86_64 is in developement.  AFA for 68K Amigas.

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2006, 12:52:04 AM »
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Piru wrote:

MorphOS 1.5 will be released, but not before it's ready for release.


Hahaha, where have I heard a phrase like that used before?

 :-) No offense intended, just pointing it out thats all.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2006, 03:14:56 AM »
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Piru wrote:

MorphOS 1.5 will be released, but not before it's ready for release.


Hahaha, where have I heard a phrase like that used before?

 :-) No offense intended, just pointing it out thats all.


But I bet that you never heard that phrase coming from MOS german programmers.

If they had had said to any people that they will release MOS 1.5 when it will be done, it sure means quite dam*ed exactly what it means.

These people sure are krazy goott perfektionizts and they don't want to release any MorphOS 1.5 until ALL modules will be perfect as they like it (as intended from a prussian point of view)!

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2006, 05:08:32 PM »
Thanks for all the replies and views shared. It's appriciated :).

I personally think that the only viable option to get a larger user base would be to port the OS to some standard HW that's already available to the user. The cheaper, the better, and what's cheaper than HW you already own? So, I think it would have been nice to see a plan to port MorphOS/Amiga OS to x86. Maybe AROS is the way to go, but the last time I checked, it was nothing more than a nice project (nothing wrong with that, unless you're looking for an OS).
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2006, 06:53:06 PM »
Apps are being added and updated for AROS.  Once EUAE is integrated, the apps issue should be greatly reduced.

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2006, 01:57:23 AM »

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Apps are being added and updated for AROS.  Once EUAE is integrated, the apps issue should be greatly reduced.

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Here are a few of must-haves to really make this a good Amiga Evolution.

1) Natively booting into AROS. ie; not relying an underlying OS like Linux or Windows
2) Native support for the Mac G4 platform as I suggested for MorphOS
3) Full EUAE integration
4) This is a big one but I think it'd doable. Create an AROS (Amiga) preferences applet to alter the way the EAUE subsystem operates. In other words, have settings CPU, fast mem, etc.

This would be an ideal platform for newer app development, classic app operation, and mass market saturation.

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #57 on: November 13, 2006, 03:13:01 AM »
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Here are a few of must-haves to really make this a good Amiga Evolution.


Been many a moon since AROS went native.  What I'm really waiting for is AROS-64 (x86_64) port to be finished.

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2) Native support for the Mac G4 platform as I suggested for MorphOS


A dev is working on that, I'm sure he would welcome more folks to achieve this objective.


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3) Full EUAE integration


Waiting on a Dev to free some time to begin working on it.   He said he would throw in TCP/IP bridge software as well.

 
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4) This is a big one but I think it'd doable. Create an AROS (Amiga) preferences applet to alter the way the EAUE subsystem operates. In other words, have settings CPU, fast mem, etc.


Yup, that too.  He's going to be busy, so he's waiting to have enough time to do it.  Hence the waiting on his official "I'm ready, let's do it." confirmation email to TeamAROS.

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2006, 03:23:06 AM »
Dammy,
I haven't been able to get it installed directly from the CD to a blank hard disk. Is there a HOWTO somewhere?
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2006, 03:41:14 AM »
It's not easy, see this thread.  IMO, it needs a full rewrite.

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