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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2006, 03:36:09 PM »
Well, I have ebayed a few amigas with hopes to buy OS4.0, but with no news out of Amiwest, I have bought a Mac instead :(

I still have several Amigas, but like many, I am not expecting much. I hate that we are being relegated to a hobbiest group rather than an alternative OS that it should be.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2006, 03:49:03 PM »
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You guys didnt release any new version of MOS until some counter or whatever reached 0. (you said yourself its not about the money) Never happend nor is it going to.

This wasn't "we", the MorphOS Team. This was some disgruntled developer who got shafted by Thendic/Genesi/whoever, and made some silly claims that he would block MorphOS releases. We (the MorphOS Team) have since released two new MorphOS releases, 3D driver update package, and various smaller bug fix releases (not to mention the developer material which has gotten updated dozens of times). The "counter" has never reached 0.

MorphOS 1.5 will be released, but not before it's ready for release.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2006, 03:51:05 PM »
hey piru, will 1.5.1 be released for us classic users ? is it planned?
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2006, 03:53:48 PM »
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But beyond that for a moment. What would be the point in porting to yet another dead end platform?

PPC Macs are no longer produced

There are 1000x more PPC Macs than A1/Pegs combined, and they will continue to be available via ebay etc for a long time. Sounds good enough reason to me.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2006, 03:56:39 PM »
@keropi

I see no technical reason why it couldn't be released, other than not having as wide driver support as would be desirable. But the "100% certain" platforms for now are Pegasos I and II.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2006, 03:57:40 PM »
nice, thanx  :-D
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2006, 03:57:46 PM »
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There are 1000x more PPC Macs than A1/Pegs combined, and they will continue to be available via ebay etc for a long time. Sounds good enough reason to me.


I agree. Regarding how cheap they are (and even will be in the future), the option of running MorphOS on them would be awesome.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2006, 04:42:56 PM »
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But beyond that for a moment. What would be the point in porting to yet another dead end platform?

PPC Macs are no longer produced

There are 1000x more PPC Macs than A1/Pegs combined, and they will continue to be available via ebay etc for a long time. Sounds good enough reason to me.


We played this game before.

We played it for 12 years with our current kit.

Porting to a dead platform is not a way forward, only the most blinded zealot would think that such a move would be anything other then stupifyingly shortsighted.

Yes, there's a lot of this kit floating about the place, but no more will ever be built again, even with the current AOS4 codebase, with the limited resources at hand it could take a couple of years just to port to one or two of the available models. If you truly want a future for your platform of choice, then your only option is to move to something that also has a future.

If you port to PPC mac, you are just hammering in another nail into the already overly secure coffin of the Amiga.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2006, 04:42:59 PM »
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I see no technical reason why it couldn't be released, other than not having as wide driver support as would be desirable.


Ah, that's good to hear. I think most of us Powerup-users will be already very pleased to get an update to 1.5. No need to support all strange clockport-devices. Driver support is IMHO already quite good, ok, Mediator-support is lacking, but I do understand the reasons for that. I am very pleased with MOS Powerup so far, great work guys!
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2006, 04:51:57 PM »
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Porting to a dead platform is not a way forward, only the most blinded zealot would think that such a move would be anything other then stupifyingly shortsighted.


Ok then, please point us at the current alternatives on the PPC-market? Are there any other proven, relatively cheap and powerful PPC-platforms that are available in numbers and that have a future path? No? The only alternative would be to go x86, but before doing that, you would first need to assess what you are really aiming at with your OS.
If you want to go the commercial route and want to target at the desktop users, then there might be no other way than going x86. Hyperions problem is exactly that: I guess they originally planned to make some money with their OS, but how realistic is that on a license-restricted "only-PPC" and "we need custom HW" niche market?
The targets of the MOS-team might be different, for most of us they might still appear rather fuzzy, so I just wouldn't risk to tell them which route they should go.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2006, 05:05:53 PM »
I dont think I have seen anyone mention OS 3.9 for the Amiga. It runs very well and if you add a Mediator board and put the 4000 into a tower case you get a very functional computer and its alot of fun working on the towerising project. The Mediator alows you to use some of the cheep PCI sound and graphic cards in your Amiga while still giving you Zorrow II & III slots for Amiga hardware.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2006, 05:06:48 PM »
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Porting to a dead platform is not a way forward, only the most blinded zealot would think that such a move would be anything other then stupifyingly shortsighted.


Ok then, please point us at the current alternatives on the PPC-market? Are there any other proven, relatively cheap and powerful PPC-platforms that are available in numbers and that have a future path? No?


PPC as a desktop system, beyond highly specialised products like IBM workstations (which cost in the multiples of thousands each) and genesi's forthcoming multi cpu boards is a dead end.

Only highly specialised markets within the embedded industry really use ppc now, and for most of these applications, AmigaOS is in no position to be marketable (most of these things require, at a minimum, memory protection and stability far beyond what AOS can offer).

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The only alternative would be to go x86, but before doing that, you would first need to assess what you are really aiming at with your OS.
If you want to go the commercial route and want to target at the desktop users, then there might be no other way than going x86. Hyperions problem is exactly that: I guess they originally planned to make some money with their OS, but how realistic is that on a license-restricted "only-PPC" and "we need custom HW" niche market?


AmigaOS would need to be rebuilt from the ground up again to have a chance in the mainstream. It wouldn't be able to compete with Zeta, let alone one of the big boys as it stands.

There are however niche sectors even within the x86 market, look at the epia platforms from VIA - low cost, specialised hardware with lots of custom chips to play with. I'm genuinely surprised that there hasn't already been a port to epia tbh.

But seriously, give it up on PPC, for the Amiga's needs it's game over.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2006, 05:08:54 PM »
Releasing for G4 Macs would grow the platform exponentially. With the small footprint of the OS, a 1 GHz Mac G4 that sells for $100 on craigslist would be a smoking fast MorphOS machine and you could still play your Amiga games. When it comes down to it, MorphOS is the future of AmigaOS.
 

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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2006, 05:09:44 PM »
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tonyvdb wrote:
I dont think I have seen anyone mention OS 3.9 for the Amiga. It runs very well and if you add a Mediator board and put the 4000 into a tower case you get a very functional computer and its alot of fun working on the towerising project. The Mediator alows you to use some of the cheep PCI sound and graphic cards in your Amiga while still giving you Zorrow II & III slots for Amiga hardware.


Great systems, but they are not only dead end platforms, but also starting to get very fragile due to age.

I love seeing the old girls at Amiga meets, but as time goes on their numbers will continue to dwindle.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2006, 05:11:27 PM »
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Releasing for G4 Macs would grow the platform exponentially. With the small footprint of the OS, a 1 GHz Mac G4 that sells for $100 on craigslist would be a smoking fast MorphOS machine and you could still play your Amiga games. When it comes down to it, MorphOS is the future of AmigaOS.


Tbh that $100 would be better spent on a pc laptop of the same vintage and run amitholon on it.

Same software, faster hardware and an upgrade path ahead of you.
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Re: How dead is the AMiGA OS this time?
« Reply #44 from previous page: November 09, 2006, 05:34:14 PM »
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I love seeing the old girls at Amiga meets, but as time goes on their numbers will continue to dwindle.


I don't know about that. I've seen some that are fragile and others that are in GREAT shape. Fortunately most of mine are of the latter.. excellent condition!