Why not release OS4 for BPPC and CPPC

[jj]

Given that Hyperion will not release OS4 until there is available hardware to run it, why not release the classic version.

I does exist and I have spoken to beta users, who seemed very happpy wwith it.

I inderstand the problems of the many different HW combiinations and hacks with the classics, but if MorphOS can be run on a lot of classic machines, then why not.

It would as least get some money ( prob more than A1 users)
coming in for hyperion.  Or is it a case of Hyperion is not liscenced to sell classic version.

[humppa]

I have two links for you where Rogue explained why they don't want to release OS4 for BPPC and CPPC at the current point:

Link 1
Link 2

In a nutshell:

Rogue wrote:

The effort *right now* (before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled) is too high, and the expected return makes it questionable.

[jj]

Thanks for the links as do not read that site....

Makes sense I suppose

[B00tDisk]

Rogue wrote:

The effort *right now* (before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled) is too high, and the expected return makes it questionable.

This is ridiculous.

What's the current "return" on Teron-board-only OS4?  In exact dollars, I can tell you straight up that it is zero.  $0.00.

Nobody is going to buy OS4 because nobody can buy OS4.  No hardware exists, that you can buy, that will run it.

On the other hand there's a market of people ready and waiting to run it who are an untapped well of cash.

There's absolutely no logical reason not to reach out to these people and lay OS4 on them, as has been promised for the last...oh, what, six years now?

[spirantho]

I think this is perhaps the chief mistake the Frieden guys have made - in my opinion.

I think the return would be very valuable. Not in terms of cash, because it wouldn't make very much, but there's a lot of coders out there who can't get an AmigaOS compatible machine but are itching to get starting coding for it. The main reason there's not a great deal of OS4 programs out there is the coders are starved of hardware; give them OS4 on the classic and they can get started so when it's ready on the dedicated hardware there's much more software. Every day without any hardware is another piece of code gone unwritten.

All IMHO of course.

[redrumloa]

You'll never get a straight answer out of them, as history has shown. It's embarassing. :oops:

[keropi]

OS4 my a$$... thank god the MOS team is not as ridiculus as the os4 one...

[Darth_X]

Everyone considering OS4 on these powerpc accelerator cards should give the MorphOS version a try http://powerup.morphos-team.net/

Its a free demo, what have you got to lose?

[xaccrocheur]

Rogue quoted :

The effort *right now* (before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled) is too high, and the expected return makes it questionable.

Mm... Maybe the best way to know about the "expected return" would be to make the existing test version available to "classic" (A PPC Amiga is not what I would call classic, is'nt classic precisely meaning "68k" ?) users in a way that you can *know* how many downloaded it ? The Firefox team does this, they *know* how many ppl use FF and on what platforms.

... And BTW, it would also be good for "The effort"... I know how this will end. We'll get OS4 for Blizzard/DCE PPC from AT's trashcan, when it's moot and they're looong dead. And it will be debugged and beta-released faster than you can say "Mehdi Ali must be alive somewhere, surely his legacy lives on" :evil:
Feh.

sometimes I don't get Amiga Tech. logic. :crazy:  

[humppa]

The reason that "the expected return makes it questionable" is ridiculous. Why did they start it at all in the first place?

Coding 5 years, investing 500.000 EUR and at the point when OS4 is nearly finished they realize, "err..., it's just 600 potential buyers out there, oh, better not release it then, let's better wait until the magic & myterious Amy-board get's released which around 800 people will buy. This will completely change the whole situation and make our 500.000 EUR investment really rewarding.  :roll:

[Akiko]

I'm unaware that OS4 for classic has been officially scraped? Is there a link from Hyperion that states they have officially ceased all further development and beta testing for the classic?
If so it would be a mistake and big disappointment to those of us that expected one last version of Amiga OS.

"it's just 600 potential buyers out there"

Unfortunately of those 600 potential buyers how many will actually be queuing at shops like Amigakit and how many others will be queuing on Kazza to get this software.

I suppose from Hyperion's perspective at least when they bundle OS4 for  new hardware they are guaranteed some revenue back in return.

[tomazkid]

Akiko wrote:

I'm unaware that OS4 for classic has been officially scraped? Is there a link from Hyperion that states they have officially ceased all further development and beta testing for the classic?

No there is not  :-)

[humppa]

I'm unaware that OS4 for classic has been officially scraped? Is there a link from Hyperion that states they have officially ceased all further development and beta testing for the classic?

Doh! Did you actually at least try to read Rogue's statement that I quoted above? What part of "(before someone gets the idea again the classic version is cancelled)" don't you understand?

[jorkany]

JJ,

Makes sense I suppose

It does make sense. What does not make sense is why they said they would release it for the PPC classic systems in the first place. There was no ROI potential when the OS4 debacle started, that hasn't changed over the past few years.

[jorkany]

spirantho,

The main reason there's not a great deal of OS4 programs out there is the coders are starved of hardware; give them OS4 on the classic and they can get started so when it's ready on the dedicated hardware there's much more software.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the AmigaOne was for- so developers could get started writing code for OS4? After all, the A1 was marketed as a "developer board".