DiscreetFX announcement, any news ?

[kidkoala]

I think it's a great idea if you have the funds to buy the company, and if you have more money and effort to put into the development of the Amiga-brand than Amiga Inc., it couldn't be better!

[shillard]

Pyromania wrote:
@shillard

Our involvement with the Amiga community would help the brand not harm it. But, you are welcome to your opinion and sharing it makes for great debate.

How do you help or harm a brand that is dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition?

[neon32]

shillard wrote:

How do you help or harm a brand that is dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition?

It's not dead, buried, and decomposed beyond recognition. It's only that way to you probably because you've kept track of the situation alot more than other people - and become disheartened in the process. To most people, when they think of the Amiga, they just think of the really amazing computer that it was in the past, and then thats it.

[Dr_Righteous]

I said it before, and I'll say it again... DFX has a long-standing record in the Amiga community, whereas no one else who has touched the Amiga IP since the death of Commodore has had ANY experience whatsoever.

DFX is trying to do what I, and many many others out there, would love to do... Raise the capital necessary to yank the IP back into the community.

I think it's also very appropriate that a media company is spearheading this effort considering Amiga has always been an excellent media tool. There are some seriously exciting possibilities for the future of our beloved platform in this move.

C'mon folks, finally someone in this community is trying to do something to fix the mess. Show some support!

@Pyromania
Nevermind the nay-sayers. I see what y'all are trying to accomplish here... and for the first time in a very long time I'm begining to have my faith restored. I wish y'all the best of luck. We ALL need it.

[shillard]

Yup, there's definitely one born every minute.


Ask "most people" about the Amiga, and they'll wonder why you're bothering them about a Spanish girlfriend.

It's a niche zealot community - right up there with people who are obsessive fans of "Space: Above and Beyond" - and we all know it's going nowhere.

YES I love using the Amiga.

YES it is the OS of preference for me.

But do I seriously every expect to see an "Amiga" on my office desk?  Nope, not ever.  It has gone the way of Beta video and a host of other superior, but poorly marketed technologies.

Discreet FX, for all their posturing and constant "our movie Oil Change will feature Amigas yadda yadda yadda" haven't a hope in hell of raising sufficient capital to do anything even remotely effective with the brand, outside (perhaps) a tiny niche hard-core video market.  And what good is that to most Amiga Users?


"Let's all support them....." in what, exactly?  They can't even answer VERY simple questions about their plans and resources - questions that in no way compromise them commercially.

Apple, with all the resources at their disposal, still can't manage to snatch a tenth of the PC market.  You might resurrect a tiny sector of the former Amiga community, and convert some Linux nerds, but that's about it - and that isn't a market.

It's a cottage industry.

[leirbag28]

@anyone


Hmm.I understand everyones concern here.......really.............even the naysayers.

But I must say.............Amiga in the hands of DFX is a good thing.........as long as they hold on to the Amiga properties no matter what. There is a reason for this.....and I will reveal it if Amiga ever returns to its glory days.  

I am 100% positive Amiga can take the entire WIndows Market by storm very easily if my plan is followed to the "T".  its so simple its ridiculous .....I cant fathom why the heck no one has done it before.

I notice former Amiga owners seem to have some pride issue about their Idea for Amiga rather than the Amiga computer itself. This is a formula for failure:

"Pride goeth before destruction.....and a haughty spirit before a fall"

This statement is true, and I see it happen evey single time. The key to success is to firt Humble onesself and step out of onesself and their glory and motives..........Commodore wanted money, money, money....this greed is why they failed......because they sought so hard to want to be like a PC, they went downhill......exactly the opposite of what should have happened had they focused on the Amazing machine they didnt know they had..............Amiga would have beenn at the forefront of Internet access, MP3 technology, Flash5 and all these popular formats and gizmos had Commodore seen this vision.

I know I saw this vision long before it happened and envisioned the Amiga doing this...............All I thought was "The Fools!..how can they let the PC beat them under their noses like this"

Anyway...........Amiga can rise again and even remove the Apple iPod out of our memories.  I have a list of plans I have been writing for years. Some take money and sacrafice.............but more importantly.........100% trust in these ideas...........im 100% positive they will work and that every Amigan will return morew happy than ever before.

that said.........I am all in support of DiscreetFX. They have done nothing but be willing to embarrass themselves by mentioning the Amiga....which they know is a good machine..........thats how I know I can trust them.....I myself have defended the Amiga to my embarrassment at times......because most PC users today know nothing about computers really o how good the Amiga OS STILL is.

I vote of Amiga Inc and DFX to merge if necessary.

If good things will come out of this.....Ill be praying. :-)

[cv643d]

If the Pegasos guys bought Amiga things would fly I guess. Look what they did since 2002, new hardware, OS, lots of optimistic and positive things.

I do not know a lot about Discrete and I have not done any research, but what I know is that they have made some movie/Scala like application for the Amiga? I can understand that video guys are still very excited about the Amiga. But it is my impression that Amiga was always big with video in USA and big in Europe for other reasons (the scene was huge over here). Amiga was the defacto standard for a home computer to own during 89-93, simply because "everyone" had one and you could copy games easy and quick with it, at least thats how it mostly was in Europe.

Sad to say, but I think it will be slightly boring to find that Amiga is going to be bought out by some video guys if the deal goes through, but then, what do I know?

[humppa]

But I must say.............Amiga in the hands of DFX is a good thing.........as long as they hold on to the Amiga properties no matter what. There is a reason for this.....and I will reveal it if Amiga ever returns to its glory days.

But I must say...........Amiga...in the hands of....Gateway.....is a good thing....everything will improve and Amiga....will be back....and blow away Windows and Mac OS X.

I am 100% positive Amiga can take the entire WIndows Market by storm very easily if my plan is followed to the "T". its so simple its ridiculous .....I cant fathom why the heck no one has done it before.

Sorry for asking, but are you the American incarnation of Helgis?

[Louis Dias]

I read alot of gaming sites.  IGN, Gamespot, Joystiq and others.

I swear every other week this is an interview with a developer about how he started on the Amiga or about how this develepment studio started on Amiga or how this GBA/DS game is a remake of an Amiga game ir how this XBL game was originally released on the Amiga...

Never a bad word, just fondness.

Look at the console wars, developers release games for multiple systems because they can make money across multiple platforms.

If an Amiga platform is finally established and there are a number of end users (let's say 100k) then all it takes is 1 publisher (probably Ubisoft) to release 1 title on the platform to make all the others raise an eyebrow in Amiga's direction.

Sure it might be GBA or NDS level games with low budgets, but that's how it starts...  Then as the userbase grows so do the budgets for the games...

It will, however, require the full support of the Amiga community to back these developers with real sales and not let piracy kill the platform again...

[leirbag28]

@cv643d
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Sad to say, but I think it will be slightly boring to find that Amiga is going to be bought out by some video guys if the deal goes through, but then, what do I know?
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Actually....quite the opposite will happen..........You see.......If Amiga can be successful here in the Video Industry Once again.......it means it will become Mainstream enough, that Games developers and other companies of old, will return to the Amiga..they all loved the Amiga.  And when something Succeeds in USA..........it usually means it will succeed in the World!   Thats the stupid mistake Commodore made when they designed the CD32....to compete against the Pathetic MegaDrive/MegaCD which was popular in UK but seriously pathetic here in USA.........The SuperNintendo was and still is the Superior Platform.......but to their ultimate Dumbness........Commodore needed to design the CD32 to compete with the Up and coming 3DO and Playstation.......not  the old and obsolete MegaDrive............it's real funny because they thought the had something good simply because it was better than the Sega MegaDrive. Commodore UK didnt get out much let me tell you. And this was Commodores problem with other Amigas.....I used the CD32 as an example to make things clear of how little Commodore knew about making competetive products in its later years.


Once again.....a simple formula for success: Make something that will be considered Darn good in USA and Japan..........and it will be Darn Good in the rest of the world. And when I say that.........I mean Better than a Mac and better than and X-Box 360 or Playstation 3.  Otherwise its just something nice, but that wont succeed. At least not  for long. It will remain an underground machine. Im not willing to delve another 10 years of my life for another stupid underground machine...........We have Linux boxes for that!  As a matter of fact..........that will be the sole reason for me getting a PS3 if I get one at all. Its the closest thing to a Super Amiga/CD32 with SX32.


@humppa

Sorry...........I dont know who helgis is. But I have utter confidence in the Amiga Idea.

[Pyromania]

@shillard


While we are not interested in discussing our business plan, I will tell you this. Apple almost died a few years back and what saved them was bringing back their founder. You might love or hate Steve Jobs but he saved Apple from certain death. Now they are enjoying great success, even going after some of the Amiga's once exclusive markets like low end video production. Part of the DiscreetFX plan is to seek out and hire some of the original Amiga team if they are interested. No one was more passionate or Amiga gun hoe than Carl, RJ, David Needle Etc. If we are able to hire one or more of the first Amiga greats they will help form the new Amiga plan. Also, it is of great interest to DiscreetFX to help get to market retro Amiga 500's in a joystick or maybe even a sub $100 AGA+ mini Amiga that uses flash drives to build the brand once again. Another idea is to have Amiga OS 4.0 running on cell phones, that market becomes more computer like every day and it is much larger than the PC market even when Apple, Linux and everyone else is thrown in. An Amiga Tivo type device is also something DiscreetFX would love to do

[Dandy]

leirbag28 wrote:
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And when something Succeeds in USA..........it usually means it will succeed in the World!  

Yes - like american football or Disneyland!
(Noone is interested in it over here in Europe - Sorry, couldn't resist)
 :-P

leirbag28 wrote:
Thats the stupid mistake Commodore made when they designed the CD32...to compete against the Pathetic MegaDrive/MegaCD which was popular in UK but seriously pathetic here in USA
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Commodore UK didnt get out much let me tell you. And this was Commodores problem with other Amigas.....I used the CD32 as an example ...

No.
Their mistake was to take the profit they made with the Amiga line and to put it in the development of their inferior and overpriced x86 PC line - instead of putting it in the development of new cutting edge Amiga products...

leirbag28 wrote:
Once again.....a simple formula for success: Make something that will be considered Darn good in USA and Japan..........and it will be Darn Good in the rest of the world.
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On what planet do you live , mate?
If a product is well received in the US, it does not automatically mean that the rest of the world will receive it equally well.

Its not that the people over here would all start jumping off bridges - just because people in the USA do so...

[leirbag28]

@Dandy

On Planet earth...........dont believe me?

Successes:

NES 8 bit  USA Japan = Successful in the world
SNES USA, Japan = succesful in the world
Commodore64 USA = most successful computer in the world.
Playstation USA, Japan = Successful in the world
Playstation 2 USA, Japan = succesfull in the world
X Box................."""""""""
X Box 360............""""""""""


Failures (because of where they were popular)

Acorn
MegaDrive
Spectrum
Amiga CD32
Amiga

need more examples?  I got more..................so whats the point I am making?  That USA knows how to market and knows what doesnt suck.......im not sure 100% what the reason is btu part of it is that we get out alot...and unfortunately other countries such as the UK dont get out much.....that explains why they think Sensible Soccer is so good........then whent its ported to a good System like SNES, Playstation....absolutely no one buys it.

Sensible Soccer gfx were unacceptable to me. I dont understand how that and Cannon Fodder got such high ratings being as crappy looking as they are especially fore the time they were released. they should have looked massively good. I understand the concept and play may have been good.

Im not trying to say that other nations suck.........it just that America is a huge melting pot.......and we have talent! just look at our films and Hollywood!  the highest quality films and ideas come from here. I dont always agree with what the movies are about because I think talents are sometimes used for evil.................but nevertheless......we got marketing Skills up the Wazoo!   agreed? understand what I am trying to explain?

well.......its true.

[odin]

:lol:

[snowman040]

USA is full of money, and that's all. Jens and Dennis are from Europe, Elbox people too, DCE, Amiga france....

Amiga failed because of bad Commodore management, Sinclair (Spectrum) was very succesfull (2 million sold units) and that is more than all Amiga models...

[Crumb]

@leirbag

I don't agree with you.

MegaDrive -> quite successful. I had more friends with MegaDrive than friends with SNES. It lasted a lot of years.

Spectrum -> one of the most successful computers ever built

Commodore64 -> I liked it more than speccy, but for each c64 user you had 5 spectrum users in Spain, UK and other countries.

Amiga 500 -> the most successful Amiga model ever sold, amiga software appeared due to this machine. Without A500 amiga would probably have died faster.

BTW, X-Box was a total failure in Europe IMHO. Almost no games and only a few people bought it to use it as videoplayer/MAME machine. MS lost a lot of money with it.

Acorn -> only a few machines were sold in UK and maybe France, but you know what? now its cpu (ARM) is one of the most used cpus in the world. Even Intel licensed its instruction set.

just look at our films and Hollywood! the highest quality films and ideas come from here

When I have read this I couldn't stop laughing... I'm thinking that you are an USA troll :-D