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News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« on: October 29, 2006, 04:09:07 AM »
Hey Everyone,
I apologize for not posting this sooner but things have been pretty hectic here lately and I’ve only just managed to get things back in order (sort of :-) ).

 So basically since my last post I have been able to contact both aPEX and Andrew to ask about the Phoenix board and what they think about doing another production. While I haven’t had much response from Andrew yet (we’ve only exchanged about one or two emails so far) I have spoken with aPEX a few times and he has been able to provide me with a good deal of information. So with his permission I thought I’d share what I’ve learned so far:

1)   Currently there are no (or almost no) PCB boards left to make more Phoenix Motherboards. The defective/incomplete boards that were discussed before (see previous phoenix threads) were actually the boards that Andrew used to make Phoenix boards for the A1k.org users.

So if a new production was going to be done it would have to be done from scratch (aka all new boards with all new parts).

2)   In speaking with aPEX it seems that (in his opinion) it will be very difficult (if not impossible) to find many of the necessary parts to assemble all new boards.

“[…]in my opinion a complete new production run seems impossible. Parts
and making such big blank boards are expensive, really expensive. In Europe it
is hard to get the needed memory and the FatAgnus 8372B (needed for 2MB chip) is sold-out world wide”

3)   Production may also be difficult as it seems not all motherboard fixes/patches can be found in the Phoenix Diagrams.

Now given all this aPEX did offer the following suggestions if we were still interested in trying to produce more boards:

1)   “To get an acceptable price you need about 100 units... and some good partner to
layout the board and so on...“

2)   If we reached those numbers we may be looking at a price of about 500 dollars per person per board. (sorry no currency was specified but I’d assume 500 US to be on the safe side)

So that’s basically where we are at right now but I do have to emphasize that these numbers are not fixed in stone. They could well change if we were able to procure all of the necessary components for the boards at a reasonable price but I must admit it does look a bit grim.

So I guess the question now is, do we want to move forward with this project or are we better off waiting for Jens Schoenfeld to release his Clone-A project (perhaps in a year or two) and adapt it to work inside an Amiga 1000 case?

What do you guys think?

Techie

edit: if you are still interested in a Phoenix board please sign up on the Revival website here
 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 05:16:04 AM »
I would commit to buying at least one aPEX board.  When/if  Clone-A becomes a reality I'm most likely going to buy one of those, too.  
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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 05:29:49 AM »

Same thing here in France... we justly discussed yesterday about the A1K phoenix !
www.amigaimpact.org the fresh french news for Amiga and Pegasos !
 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 08:58:20 AM »
Well, I am interested in a blank Phoenix PCB board, that on itself is a piece of art :-D
 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 09:55:10 AM »
I dont see why the clone-A board (if it ever gets created) couldnt fit inside the A1000 case.. it would need port extenders but it should fit.
 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 02:34:40 PM »
@alexh

As long as Jens does go with a miniitx format for the board then there should be no problem fitting it inside the A1000 but I guess part of what I'm asking is, which solution do people think would be best?  

Modding an A1k case to take a miniitx format board that is based entirely on new, easy to find, components or investing money in a older (but proven) design specifically suited to the A1000 but possibly more difficult to get off the ground.

I guess if enough people are willing to commit to purchasing a Phoenix board (say 100 like aPEX suggests) AND are willing to spend as much $500 bucks on it (more or less) then going in either direction is possible.
 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 04:03:51 PM »
I think the question can also be; would an A1000 with a mini-itx board still be an A1000? Or would it be an A1000 case with a mini-itx board inside?

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 07:24:38 PM »
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Doppie1200 wrote:
I think the question can also be; would an A1000 with a mini-itx board still be an A1000? Or would it be an A1000 case with a mini-itx board inside?



An A1000 case with a Clone-A mini-itx board inside is no more an A1000 than if, say, an A600 motherboard was shoehorned in.

However, IMO if the Clone-A board acts like an Amiga, to the extent that it is indistinguishable from the real thing in everyday operation, then it's an Amiga  :-)
 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2006, 08:46:55 PM »
I guess you could look at it like that, but to me no matter which product ends up inside I'd still consider it to be an "Amiga."

Of course with a Clone-A mini-itx board inside it could be an Amiga with AGA and coldfire accelerator built in :-)

 

 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2006, 06:49:05 PM »
Well unless someone can give me a reason otherwise I'm going to be closing down the Phoenix 2 website at the end of the month (November 30th).

So sign up now as this is your last chance to show your support for more Phoenix boards.

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2006, 10:39:54 PM »
 

Offline TjLaZer

Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2006, 12:21:15 AM »
I just registerd as I would like to see a board.
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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2006, 02:02:16 AM »
@TjLaZer
Thanks for registering  :-)  
Don't forget to activate your account (you should have received an email at the address you entered).


@DJBase
That's pretty cool!
Too bad they don't seem to be shipping to North America  :-(


@All
Just a small reminder to everyone that the Phoenix Revival site will be closing at the end of November.
Once the site has closed I will be sending a list of everyone who has participated to aPEX so that he will (at least) have the option to add their names to his records (Note: if you do not want your name added to this list please contact me)


 

Offline djbase

Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2006, 07:12:31 AM »
@ techie

They ship worldwide. Just ask them.

 

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Re: News on the Phoenix Revival Project
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2006, 04:01:57 PM »
@All

In case anyone is still interested there's just under a week left until the Phoenix 2 site closes down. So if you want to register now is the time  :-)