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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2006, 02:57:58 PM »
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Since when does a persons sexual preference make them "ill"? Eh Eyso?
When they get so obsessive about it that they gonna abuse people. That's illness. Now we must have a society where someone who has such feelings just can go to the physician or get psychotherapy without fear, so they can live a normal life. For the sake of everyone.
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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2006, 03:49:30 PM »
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Since when does a persons sexual preference make them "ill"? Eh Eyso?
When they get so obsessive about it that they gonna abuse people. That's illness. Now we must have a society where someone who has such feelings just can go to the physician or get psychotherapy without fear, so they can live a normal life. For the sake of everyone.


People said that about homosexuality 30 years ago. ;-)
 

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2006, 03:52:16 PM »
I know. But then, homosexuality harms no one.
And I know our views towards pedophilia is a cultural thing. But then, (difference of) culture can be a harmful thing.

(okay, know it's being written badly, though I hope you get my point)
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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2006, 11:45:26 PM »
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I am wholeheartedly against this, or any form of physical harm of others.


Same here.


You will change your mind once you have children.


Nonsense.


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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2006, 01:36:36 AM »
Imagine it though: you have a box of electrodes, a nipple wrench, a cat 'o nine tails, a thumb screw - and a visitor's pass for the Microsoft headquarters...

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2006, 07:08:57 AM »
I am totally against government, military or police torture as a method to get information.

However, using basic human instinct... if a child, spouse, relative or close friend has been brutally tortured or raped, then I fully support torturing the guilty person - with the following conditions:

1. Torturing can NOT be done for a simple quick murder like shooting someone or crashing a plane. In those cases, quick revenge death is enough. You can only torture someone who has brutally tortured or raped.

2. Torturing can only be done BY the parent, spouse, relative or close friend of the victim - NOT by governments, military, police or people not directly affected.

3. Guilt must be proven 100%. If you torture the wrong person by mistake, THEIR relatives or friends are free to torture YOU. (personally, I'd commit suicide if I brutally tortured the wrong person by mistake)

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2006, 10:27:08 AM »
I don't see it as 'acceptable, providing we attach x,y and z conditions', I see it as wrong. Full stop.

Same goes for the death penalty, even if it is a 'paedo in speedos' or whatever, its wrong. Sure, if I had a child and someone sexually abused him/her I would want revenge, but at that point I couldn't make an objective decision about such things anymore....
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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2006, 12:41:07 PM »
I certainly don't support torture for questioning reasons.

I think it's only necessary in extreme cases.

However, often those who don't have a concience also won't really care about the emotions associated with pain.
 

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2006, 02:31:10 PM »
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Wilse wrote:
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nicholas wrote:
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Wilse wrote:
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Cyberus wrote:
I am wholeheartedly against this, or any form of physical harm of others.


Same here.


You will change your mind once you have children.


Noncesense.



You'll see.
 

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2006, 02:32:28 PM »
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I don't see it as 'acceptable, providing we attach x,y and z conditions', I see it as wrong. Full stop.

Same goes for the death penalty, even if it is a 'paedo in speedos' or whatever, its wrong. Sure, if I had a child and someone sexually abused him/her I would want revenge, but at that point I couldn't make an objective decision about such things anymore....


And that is where the Shariah comes in useful. ;-)
 

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2006, 04:23:49 PM »
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Cyberus wrote:
I don't see it as 'acceptable, providing we attach x,y and z conditions', I see it as wrong. Full stop.

Same goes for the death penalty, even if it is a 'paedo in speedos' or whatever, its wrong. Sure, if I had a child and someone sexually abused him/her I would want revenge, but at that point I couldn't make an objective decision about such things anymore....


Exactly.

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2006, 04:26:20 PM »
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I don't see it as 'acceptable, providing we attach x,y and z conditions', I see it as wrong. Full stop.

Same goes for the death penalty, even if it is a 'paedo in speedos' or whatever, its wrong. Sure, if I had a child and someone sexually abused him/her I would want revenge, but at that point I couldn't make an objective decision about such things anymore....


Exactly.


Exactly proving my point that when you have kids you will think differently.
 

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2006, 04:28:34 PM »
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You'll see.


Not likely mate. I'm 34 and still don't want kids. My g/f is 36 and has a ten year old daughter.

To parahprase Prot in K-Pax:
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Every being in the universe knows right from wrong.
Let me tell you something. You humans, most of you, subscribe to this policy of an eye for an eye, a life for a life, which is known throughout the universe for its... stupidity.


And I'm baffled as to why you think Sharia would help over our existing laws, in the case of a relative who cannot see things objectively.

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2006, 04:52:23 PM »
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I couldn't make an objective decision about such things anymore....
And therefore, you shouldn't.
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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2006, 07:10:14 PM »
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Every being in the universe knows right from wrong.
Let me tell you something. You humans, most of you, subscribe to this policy of an eye for an eye, a life for a life, which is known throughout the universe for its... stupidity.


Unfortunately, this is nonsense. Most beings that we know of (life on Earth), ruthlessly do whatever is necessary for their own survival. "Right and wrong" or "fairness" is a human invention. Social animals (including humans) have developed a method of dealing with other group members that looks like fairness - but it is merely a way to improve chances of survival. If you hog all the food and your group members starve, there is no one left alive to help you get more food. It is well known that this "fairness" disappears in situations where personal (or offspring) survival is at stake.

It is a tragedy, but overall, life has absolutely nothing to do with fairness. Just about every life form is killing and consuming other life forms. If there is a God monitoring day to day activities, he certainly doesn't care about fairness or justice. Otherwise, how can innocent grazing sheep be butchered and served up for dinner for a CEO of a huge corporation that is polluting and raping the planet for profit?


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I don't see it as 'acceptable, providing we attach x,y and z conditions', I see it as wrong. Full stop.


Torture is a horrible evil thing. If this horrible evil thing is done to someone you care about, I don't see how you can ever get over it until you get at least a bit of "anger releasing justice".

Imagine you have a beautiful 5-year-old daughter who was kidnapped, brutally raped for weeks, tortured with cigarette burns, beaten with a pipe, then left for dead in the woods. She lives, but with permanent physical and psychological damage. She will never be the same again. She survived, so the villain is not charged with murder and only gets 12 years in prision. With good behaviour, he can get out in 6-8 years.

Imagine you see the {bleep} in 7 years and he's smiling and laughing at you. He "served his time" so he's free. Meanwhile, your whole family is permanently damaged. How could you live with yourself? Wouldn't you feel more "closure" if you could have caught the {bleep} before the police did and spent a few weeks damaging him? At the least, you need to have done something that permanently reminds him why he shouldn't have done it. (maybe cutting off his genitals and feeding them to your dog?)

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Re: One third support 'some torture'
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 22, 2006, 10:56:17 AM »
Such atrocities cannot be done when someone is sane (though it may look like, insanity can be very well hidden).
And everyone knows prison sentence isn't the appropriate thing in such a case, though (enforced) medical interference is.
But such an enforcement is against human rights nowadays and I can understand why, but it isn't good in the cases mentioned in this thread. (and I hope the discussion here coninues about particularly this).
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