Sputnik - internet browser

[buzz]

I would certainly love to see a 68k version.

My only problem with the currently "multiple" platforms is the attitude of some to make software "specific" for one platform, and in many cases for no other reason than some kind of odd "platform" spite which makes no sense to me.

Can't we all be friends and work together ?

The similarities between os4/morphos and 68k os3.x mean that it is not impossible to support all from a single source base (take yam as an example)...

[ferrellsl]

It isn't a matter of "spite".  Many developers simply cannot afford to have all the incarnations of Amigas that are out there.  Nor the time to develop for all of them.  It may be that the developer cannot afford a 68K Amiga, a PPC Amiga, and a PegasOS.  The development software can also be expensive.

If you visit the web site of the Sputnik developer you will see that he doesn't own any Amigas.  Just a Peg board.  And he's using a donated version of Cubic IDE for development.  Maybe you should offer to send him one of your 68K Amigas or send him some money to develop Sputnik for the other systems.  I'm sure he'd appreciate it and it would also help the rest of the community.

Here's the link to his site:  http://www.ppa.pl/khtml/index_en.php

[Tomas]

cecilia wrote:

Tomas wrote:

A working browser on the Amiga (Pegasos).

Since when was the pegasos a Amiga?

since I saw it and got myself a peg and can run various amiga programs on it.

same with WinUAE and AROS - all of which I have and play with.

It's "Amiga" because THAT is how I USE it.

It just aint, no matter how much you want it to be. You cannot slap a brand name on it, unless the person who owns the brand give you permission to do so. The fact is that it is Amiga inc who decides what is or is not a amiga and there is nothing we can do about it. They can easily slap the name onto a standard beige x86 running XP and there is sadly nothing we can do about that.

I think most of you dont get my point. I have absolutely nothing against either pegasos or morphos and i would not mind owning one myself. I also believe that the pegasos board is better than the amigaones, but that does not change the fact that amigaone is currently the only ppc board that is licensed as a Amiga.

I hate this licensing crap myself..

[Argo]

Play nice!

[dammy]

that does not change the fact that amigaone is currently the only ppc board that is licensed as a Amiga.

A boingball sticker on a generic mobo/case does not make it an Amiga.

Dammy

[_ThEcRoW]

My Aros boxes are an Amiga.
And my XP box with Winuae too.
Well said Cecilia!

[Hyperspeed]

by Argo:
Play nice!

MorphOS, Aros, AmigaOS users...

"Be excellent to each other!"

[pixie]

It just aint, no matter how much you want it to be. You cannot slap a brand name on it, unless the person who owns the brand give you permission to do so. The fact is that it is Amiga inc who decides what is or is not a amiga and there is nothing we can do about it. They can easily slap the name onto a standard beige x86 running XP and there is sadly nothing we can do about that.

Is that bad having Amiga like systems promoting the brand for free? Gee...

And you're comparing WindowsXP with MorphOS/AROS? :roll:

[cecilia]

Tomas wrote:

cecilia wrote:

Tomas wrote:

A working browser on the Amiga (Pegasos).

Since when was the pegasos a Amiga?

It's "Amiga" because THAT is how I USE it.

It just aint, no matter how much you want it to be. You cannot slap a brand name on it, unless the person who owns the brand give you permission to do so. The fact is that it is Amiga inc who decides what is or is not a amiga and there is nothing we can do about it. They can easily slap the name onto a standard beige x86 running XP and there is sadly nothing we can do about that.

I think most of you dont get my point. I have absolutely nothing against either pegasos or morphos and i would not mind owning one myself. I also believe that the pegasos board is better than the amigaones, but that does not change the fact that amigaone is currently the only ppc board that is licensed as a Amiga.

I hate this licensing crap myself..

I get your point, but I am not connected to any company and at this point in Amiga history what a company claims is simply not relevant to me.

yes, of course they have LEGAL rights and all that, but I'm not talking about that because that's not the way I live with and use "Amiga".

"Amiga" is an idea. not a piece of hardware. and the way I use that Idea it is possible using all flavors of amiga - sure some are more limited than others but software changes constantly. In fact THAT is what makes it fun. New developments happen and with that the thrill of discovery!

For example I've been playing with Lunapaint on AROS. And that copy of AROS is on a flash memory card that's as big as my fingernail (microSD). I would have never predicted that this was possible when I bought my first Amiga2000 in 1989!!!

I don't get that thrill with any other OS.  

and ferrellsl: I totally get your point. As amiga users we need to help each other. If this new program is That great it deserves to get ported to other flavors of Amiga.


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If at any time you forget what "Amiga" means, just go back and remember Jay Minor and what he was trying to accomplish. That should set you straight.

[Akiko]

Those screenshots look absolutely fantastic!  :-D

Hey so am I right in saying the developer has no plans for a port simply because he doesn't have the necessary hardware?

Well the Amizilla project has raised nearly $10000 and every year goes by without a release date. :-(      

Surely we can can raise just a few hundred euro so we can enable this developer to atleast make a 68k port and lift us all outta the dark ages!

I'll easily pledge 100 euro if it helps make this a reality.  :-?

[Dagon]

"You cannot slap a brand name on it, unless the person who owns the brand give you permission to do so"

Okay it's an Am*ga. Is that alright for you? lol to me its like arguing that FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD are not BSD or UNIX

Anyway I' not a MorphOS user and I'm looking forward for Samantha+AmigaOS4 but when I hear this old argument... argh.
Please, we've been through this a million times

I hope he ports sputnik to AmigaOS4 when samantha is out.

[itix]

A cell phone running Amiga DE is an Amiga too.

[pixie]

For example I've been playing with Lunapaint on AROS. And that copy of AROS is on a flash memory card that's as big as my fingernail (microSD). I would have never predicted that this was possible when I bought my first Amiga2000 in 1989!!!

Where didi you get it? I've researched in the past for the possibility of booting AROS from usb, and am yet to find a way, could you share it please?

[dillinger]

the hardcore Amiga community will decide what is and is not "Amiga". Just because Amiga Inc. hold the legal trademarks, it does not mean they define "what Amiga is". As far as i'm concerned, Amiga today is: MorphOS, AOS4 and AROS (and WinUAE setups on x86).

The acid-test for any modern Amiga platform will always come from old Amiga coders, not average "users" who might be fooled , for example, by a Linux setup with some AmigaOS 5 wallpaper slapped on. If the Libraries/APIs are "Amiga" - IT IS AMIGA as far as I'm concerned...does not matter who made the hardware. MorphOS is as close to REAL Amiga as you could possibly get and also adds some nice/modern enhancements.

Pls, don't let Amiga Inc. trick you into beleiving they are Amiga just because they had the financial muscle to buy the trademarks. Although I haven't used it yet, AOS4 fortunately looks to be maintaining the real Amiga essence. They will have to prove themselves again with AOS5 before I adopt THAT as Amiga.

[Tomas]

Well the Amizilla project has raised nearly $10000 and every year goes by without a release date.

I think the project is currently way to demanding for the size of this community. I wish the money had been used for supporting a existing project. Aweb is for example already open source and the task of adding modern features to this browser would be significantly less than porting firefox + depedencies.

[Tomas]

I get your point, but I am not connected to any company and at this point in Amiga history what a company claims is simply not relevant to me.

I guess we kinda understand each other then. I personally dont care wether the OS or box goes under the brand Amiga, as long as it keeps the spirit of the orginal OS.  :-)

I just have a very different definition on the brand name.