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m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« on: May 19, 2003, 04:43:42 PM »
http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1007528.html
How can they be this evil?? How is it possible? Buy this code, just to kill of linux..... wow  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x  :-x
 

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Re: m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2003, 04:52:17 PM »
Curious indeed.

M$ buying a licence is effectivly a legitmate (and very underhand dirty) way to support SCO while they try and destroy Linux, but not look like M$ are so scared of Linux they are prepared to pay to have it removed...

Come on IBM!!!! Kick SCO's butt... :-)

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Re: m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2003, 05:38:40 PM »
Ahhhh, I bought and still own stock in SCO. Bought it 3 years ago when they were "Caldera Linux" with the intent that I was supporting a linux company. How the he?? did it get turned around this bas-ack-wards? Of course it's all about the money. People at Caldera(SCO)  decided $$$ was the most important thing and are now handing over the keys to Unix to M$. Wow. Guess I should have paid more attention to those yearly company reports.

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Re: m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2003, 12:46:20 AM »
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M$ buying a licence is effectivly a legitmate (and very underhand dirty) way to support SCO while they try and destroy Linux, but not look like M$ are so scared of Linux they are prepared to pay to have it removed...

It's important to remember that Microsoft *did* have a long-running relationship with the original Santa Cruz Operation.  See, there was this little product called Xenix...

This and this might come in handy.  This reference from the latter provides some background from the TRS camp.

Microsoft had a good interest in SCO (12-18% of stock?) when SCO actually existed.  Some searching (mostly on The Reg/The Inquirer) can turn up the chain of events that had Microsoft pull out and Caldera acquiremergebecome.

Now, one has to wonder what the current involvement is about.  It could be that the SCO code involved really is a 'time bomb' sitting in a lot of projects- though who knows what it'd have to be to be such.  It could be something trivial, which Microsoft would rather license than rewrite for legitimizing purpose.  Or, it could be something so *immensely* trivial that "um, this code is used all over Windows- and in every other x86 OS built" would destroy the case (let's say the IBM defense subpoenas a Microsoft developer- "Hey, do you guys use printf()?  Did you pay SCO a license for those 6 characters?"  Now, he can respond "Why yes, we did.")...

If it's that last case- the code is as ridiculous, and as ridiculously common as we all expect- that's one hell of a gambit.  Extrapolated ad absurdum (up to the Supreme Court, or refusal thereby), at its worst, Microsoft could potentially use SCO as a pawn to lock out *anyone* without $N million for an SCO license from the majority of the US software market, until the world could regroup around it.  They don't have to achieve that level of success to do serious damage, of course- just drag on the process as long as possible (especially if they can wrangle success in Round 1), and let FUD do its work.  If it doesn't work- hey, it was worth a shot, and what's a few million here and there?

Astounding.

But now, after that doomsday scenario, consider another thing- this is a test case against IBM in specific.  IBM is wonderfully schizophrenic organizationally, with the Linux group off doing their thing, while the personal systems division continues to license mass quantities of MS software.  So let's say, after all this suing concludes, Microsoft sales gives a ring to some suit up the IBM chain who's been isolated from the details of the battle.  "Oh, honey, I didn't mean to hurt you like that...  Here, let's sign this and make it all better.."  Y'know, the contract that, say, gives IBM use of MS's SCO license in exchange for a 'small' royalty on every box sold (whether or not it contains SCO code), or something along those usual lines.  Maybe if they agree to keep it on the mainframe, y'know, not on those desktops, where the user really needs a consistent XPerience...

Boggles the mind.
 

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Re: m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2003, 12:51:03 AM »
Actually, the strangest thing about that article is Gates.

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"Unfortunately, that has been misconstrued in many ways. It's a topic that you can leap on and say, 'Microsoft doesn't make free software.' Hey, we have free software; the world will always have free software. I mean, if you characterize it that way, that's not right. But if you say to people, 'Do you understand the GPL?' And they'll say, 'Huh?' And they're pretty stunned when the Pac-Man-like nature of it is described to them."


Pac-Man-like nature? It eats your ghosts?
 

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Re: m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2003, 07:38:05 AM »
This is an imaginitive interpretation of events.  Example:

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Now, one has to wonder what the current involvement is about. It could be that the SCO code involved really is a 'time bomb' sitting in a lot of projects- though who knows what it'd have to be to be such. It could be something trivial, which Microsoft would rather license than rewrite for.



OpenSource programers are very carful not to include Propietry code in their software. Especially since they publish their code openly.  I am not sure that any one is stupid enough to openly show what they have stolen.

 I seriously doubt there is any SCO code at all in the core linux distro.  The kernel is a good example.  There are rougly 400 programers producing 50,000 new lines of code a month.  Far more than any small company like SCO could produce.  There is no need to use stolen code.So if there ever was any unix code in the Kernel it is gone by now.

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 "Hey, do you guys use printf()? Did you pay SCO a license for those 6 characters?" Now, he can respond "Why yes, we did.")...


Um this is a C programing statement.  It isn't related to SCO's claims.

SCO is not suing for stollen code.  It has nothing to do with that.  SCO is suing because they claim that linux reveals secrets some of UNIX's operations.  The story goes something along the lines of lots of ex-AT&T programers that worked on Unix worked on linux.  This is of coarse garbage because virtually all aspects of UNIX and its code has been publish in hundreds of books over the last 30 years.   Besides, the fundemental patents for unix expired years ago.

AT&T tried to do the same thing when they owned the IP and failed misserablly.

IBM will blacken the skies of utah with lawyers and SCO will be no more.  Not even M$ can save them ( buy them out ;) )
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Re: m$ buying sco code?? this is unbeliviable...
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2003, 10:44:01 AM »
It's ironic since there are also IP issues with Windows. I think maybe Syn'X should have started issuing warning letters to all those Windows end-users... They cannot be expected to have known the Unix code inside out and have spotted the IP right away surely?!?!

It's obvious that every OS will have routines in common 'cause they do the same job. You can't point at different sections of code and say "they've been obfuscated" when it's doing a generic OS task, and there's a lot of Unix-alike OS's out there... are they gonna sue everyone?

I hope this doesn't set some ugly legal precedent that affects, oooh, say... MorphOS?