Alans reply to Bill

[amigamad]

edited by admin : personal attack

[amigamad]

edit by admin : trolling

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@Wayne

I wasn't suggesting that this particular posting was in any way offensive or rude. (Although you must admit the sole motivation was probably not honesty with the "community").  It does seem as though on previous occasions that Bill has been granted more leeway.

For the most part I agree with you.  The situation would be a hell of a lot better if all those involved kept thier traps shut in the first place instead of letting the arguements spill over into public forums.

The uniqueness of the Amiga "community" I suppose.

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amigamad wrote:
edited by admin : personal attack

Well, that well thought out articulated arguement.  I'm sure you've now convinced everyone here that you are right.

[Colin_Camper]

It's interesting to see Alan coming out (if it really was him) with a blatant personal attack on Bill Buck

Humm.. I just read the posting and I thought it showed remarkable restraint - just stating the obvious really.
I was expecting personal abuse  - but then that's the way you like to spin it - eh?

[Paul_Gadd]

@DoDo

Bollox, anyone McEwen, Moss, Buck, Redhouse, Hermans or whoever acts like that does not deserve customers or supporters.

Acting like amateurs is doing more harm that good.

[seer]

... Just when ya think we couldn't sink any lower..


But really, what's so horrible in this post ? Some of these things were mentioned by Bill himself, although he presented his POV, and Alan blames Bill for the deals not going through.. (Didn't know about the IBM part tho)  :-?

[Colin_Camper]

Bollox, anyone McEwen, Moss, Buck, Redhouse, Hermans or whoever acts like that does not deserve customers or supporters

You do realise that all this is no better than the Dave Gilmour/Roger Walters squabblers - people pulling at the corpse of something that was good 20 years ago.

You've pissed off Amiga Inc and, no doubt, Garry Hare - so no chance of an Os4 licence for you.

I'm I the only one to notice the above comment?

If this is really a posting from Alan Redhouse, then the fact Gary Hare is mentioned as though he is in charge of Amiga Inc is far more interesting than the fact that Alan got angry. Big deal, we all let steam off now and then.

If the MD of the company that 'makes' the OFFICIAL Amiga Hardware thinks Gary Hare is the top dog at Amiga Inc, then why does Fleecy Moss deny it?

The plot thickens.

If Garry Hare isn't the top dog, then this makes the post unlikely to be from Alan Redhouse, and just another troll.

Something to think about anyway.

[seer]

You've pissed off Amiga Inc and, no doubt, Garry Hare - so no chance of an Os4 licence for you.

I'm I the only one to notice the above comment?

No, saw it, but didn't read it as you did.. Read it as he pissed of 2 parties (Amiga Inc and Garry as seperate entities) while you seem to combine them into 1. No reason why Garry wouldn't be pissed at Bill wheter he is with A-inc or not.. (If he isn't with them, he wouldn't have liked being dragged in the mud, if he is, well, he still wouldn't have liked it)

Anyway, taking from the beginning from the weird bussines card to all the stuff going on now, the Amiga community is in its lowest form as it has ever been

[logain]

>This sounds like Allan when he gets angry about something

Exactly wanted to say this!

When Alan gets angry, he often completly lose his
mind and spread FUD and personal insults to
degrees never seen before.

Very bad acting..

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logain wrote:

When Alan gets angry, he often completly lose his
mind and spread FUD and personal insults to
degrees never seen before.

Very bad acting..

You mean like this?

@uncharted

Why are you so desperate to turn this around on Bill Buck?  Both are guilty of personal overreactions.  That was the only point of my initial comment.

In this case, "Alan" (again, quoted because it might not be him) acted badly.  

Both are equally guilty of being human and acting as such when they feel provoked.  It reflects badly on everyone when it happens.  Just don't expect either man to act less than human when it comes to the other party.

What do you think it is about Bill Buck that brings out the worst in us?  I really don't know what it is but I try not to let it influence my decision on whether to buy the Pegasos 2/MorphOS or AmigaOne/OS4.  Since neither is ready it is all really moot anyhow.  I want to wait untill I can see both running and play around with them but I am not holding my breath.  In the mean time I have Palm OS5 and Debian to play with.  :-)

[SlimJim]

Let's hope Mr. Buck has the smarts not to reply in kind, or we'll be back in the sandbox once again.
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SlimJim

[meerschaum]

-my Opinon rant on this one-

lets see what BBRV has done for this community in the 2.5 years

made a motherboard

brought it to market

made an OS

brought it to market

given out jobs to many people in a bad  economic  climate   (the adverse bieng if he had taken money and screwed people in a weak economy)

gone to many shows promoting his product

helped developers by not only funding them but by listening to them

brought hardware issues into the limelight not tried to cover up the weakness of the articia chips(in fact replaceing many Pegs that where flawed w/o the hardware fix)... and furthermore tried to protect future buyers by contacting IBM to get their cert taken away so other companies dont have the same folly

I know BBRV's been a bit abbrasive to some at times...but overall he's done more good for this community in 3 years then anyone else has done since commodore...and thats a fact... we've finally gotten a new age solution, a company to support it, and leadership that seems capable of keeping it above water long enough to develop into something worthwhile.



about alans post though...

1: who cares about more articias anyway... the marvel chipset has many more features and is newer... plus it dosent have flaws

2:if IBM is backing up a  buggy chipset they shouldnt put their name on it... I find it hard to believe their angry about it...

3:who cares about OS4 Peggy has MOS and AI seems to be in a dubious situation as is... not something to act on high about e.g 'you offended the great amiga.inc ' as if their possible anger toward genesi matters..

4:Genesi makes their own OS and Boards ... maybe Hyperion is a bit angry...but the best defense to  so-called 'fud' is to prove it wrong and make OS4 into a great OS and bring it out quickly...

I dont have anything against Alan ... he's got his opinons and thats all fine and good...I hope we see 'competition' in this market so I dont really object to the A1/Pegasos competing... but if he had responded with something like 'what you said and wrong and this is why' and proceeded to explain... I would give him alot more credit...as-is he did not outright say 'the chipset is fine, stop telling fibs' ... I think the articia issue hurts us all its not one sided...if indeed it is flawed..

-the above is my personal OPINON not to be mistaken for fact-