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Amiga Nostalgia
« on: September 24, 2006, 06:28:28 PM »
I'd like to start a thread about your history with the Amiga: what first got you attracted to the Amiga, why you are still hear and everything in between.

Let me start:

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I got my very first computer for my 11th birthday. It was the Commodore Vic-20 with a cassette drive and a single game's cassette. This was the best gift I had ever received, and at the age of 11, this does not say much, but then again, my most memorable gifts are from my childhood years. The Vic-20 was better than any Atari or any other games' machine. The Vic-20 gave me the ability to hack the games, explore the code and understand how programming code worked allowing me to change the course of the game: The Vic-20 spurred my creativity.

I continued to use my Vic-20 often. Then, several years down the road, I bought my very own Commodore 64 with a sleek grey case. Gaming became a more serious activity than it was on the Vic-20. I spent hours with my brother or a friend copying code from a Compute magazine that I hope was bug free. Playing games was not the only application I enjoyed. GEOS was truly an amazing package. GEOS had every application I needed to create essays, reports and presentation for my High School classes. It is impressive what an application can do with such limited resources!

Then one day in 1995, I was reading a Compute article about a new powerful personal computer -- The Amiga 1000. Powerful sound, graphics and ability to run more than one application at the same time was revolutionary. I had to have an Amiga, but $1,500 is great deal of money for a 15-year old. As a result, I kept using my C64 through out my high school years until I was 17.

I had managed to save up about $2000 that summer working odd jobs. Commodore released two more computers that year: the Amiga 500 and the Amiga 2000. I attended the World of Commodore that year and was not going to leave without buying my first Amiga.

The World of Commodore attracted some 50,000+ attendees and several hundred vendors from all around the world. The show room was huge.  The demos were amazing especially the Newtek demo. I was seeing something that no other computer of its time could do.  Moreover, I was seeing something that never existed on a home computer. I was as a kid in a candy store and it was time for my fix.

I made my purchase. I got a brand new Amiga 500 for 700.00. I also bought a 1084 monitor and a A501 memory expansion unit. I used my Amiga constantly for both school and play. I created music scores with Sonix and DMSC. I created presentation with Elan Performer and used Maxiplan for my spreadsheets. I also spent endless hours searching for, and watching the latest demos.

A few years later, I headed of to College down in Kentucky and I figured this was a good time to upgrade to the new Amiga 3000. I was a little disappointed by the ECS but that was my only disappointment. The machine had everything I needed to carry me through the next four years of college.

In Kentucky, there were not many computers let alone a leading edge multimedia computer. I used this computer to create full animations for various business courses to illustrate what new products would look like and function and put together full colour slides and hand outs.

However, the good news did not last forever: Commodore filed for chapter 11. It was a complete shock. How could a company with such technology fail? One thing I learned in business school is that having the best mouse trap did not mean success. The key to success was a good business plan, execution and marketing.

I returned to Canada in 1995 and sold my Amiga 3000 to have enough money to buy a suit for a new job. Even in the end, my Amiga was helping me get started on my career.

From 1995 until 2006, I was completely Amiga free. I still had the Amiga 500 unused in my mother's basement. I would read about Amiga technology from time to time to see who was making promises of the Amiga's future. However, I did not expect anything to come of the Amiga anymore. There had been too many setbacks and I felt the technology was surpassed. I would read up on the articles of how Commodore failed and the plans for new Amigas. I was truly sad hearing about how Commodore continually fumbled the technology.

Early this year I could not get enough news on the Amiga. I searched every site and read everything I could about the computer's history, future plans, current developments and historic figures in Amigas history. I was determined to get another A3000 as well as an A500.

Well, here I am writing this article on my nearly new Amiga 3000 with the first ever word processor I bought and will be proofing it on the first ever grammar corrector I bought  years ago.

My Amiga is a little different now. It sports 26MB of ram and an ethernet card. It looks as new as it did the first day I bought it. It has an extra floppy drive and a new Commodore 1950 monitor through the VGA port. I have also added a network card and should be receiving a Cybervision 64 video card in a few days. The only thing left to add is a processor accelerator. I am determined to use my Amiga as my main machine and promise not to upgrade to Windows Vista. Twelve years later and the Amiga is far from dead to me.

I still ask how did a company with a machine this good become insolvent? After 12 years without any additional development, how come this machine is just as usable today as it was 12 years ago. I do not feel as though I am writing this essay on an old piece of hardware. It looks stylish and sleek as it did the day it was purchased. How can a piece of hardware and software mean so much? I don't hold onto my old TVs, old appliances, old stereo components.

The Amiga stirred in me something very different, much in the same way the Vic-20 did: it inspired my creativity. The Amiga allowed me to do anything I wanted. It also showed me new things I could do and challenged me to do better. Like a mentor that drives us to perform and strive for success, the Amiga has a special place in my heart.

My Amiga helped me get to where I am today. It helped me develop the tools I needed to succeed. I am eternally grateful to the likes of Jay Miner.
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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2006, 06:59:24 PM »
Nice post and history, I first read about the Amiga in Popular  Electronics and could hardly believe that the spec's of the recently released Amiga were true.  I did not get to see one in action until a coworker brought his to the office one day.  After that I had to have one.  I have already written the rest of my story elsewhere here at least once, so will spare all of you this time.  I still have my original A1000 and all the other Amigas I have ever purchased.
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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2006, 04:38:39 AM »
Nice thread
My first computer was an Amstrad CPC464 which I received when I was about 10. It was only used for games but around the same time another computer really started taking off... the Amiga 500.
It wasn't until 1992 that I got my own A500, once Formula One Grand Prix came out I had to get one. Again I mainly used it for games/demos. Used to love getting Amiga Format every month and trying out new games/demos, used to read that mag cover to cover.
After the Amiga scene died I sold my Amiga and bought a PC... it was a necessary evil to play the latest games. Mind you Windows would drive me up the wall, after the Amiga and Workbench it was so... um... crap!
Sadly being on a budget does not work in Windows world as instead of games getting better you have to constantly upgrade your hardware. Lazy bums.
So from there I went to Sony's Playstation, actually more specifically Gran Turismo.  :-D
I was never a huge fan of Mac but needed something to surf the net, so got a G3 iBook a couple of year ago. Gotta say it's so much better than Windows and also pretty damn stable.
Of course the Amiga was always bubbling away in the background so when I found out about ebay and how cheap Amigas were compared to new I just couldn't resist.
Games wise I bought all my favorites again and surprisingly most stand up pretty well even today, sure the graphics aren't as good but the gameplay certainly is.
All the years I was away from the Amiga scene it never once left my heart, so I too have been wondering what it is about this machine that makes it so special. Was it the amazing versatility? It's ease of casual use yet at the same time being highly configurable? It never made me feel stupid, infact I always felt in control and I also felt like I was only ever scratching away at the surface of its amazing abilities. Short of Sony throwing AmigaOS into the PS3 I doubt anything will ever repeat the glory days when the Amiga was in its prime. About the only thing that I can think off for a mew Amiga would a reborn CDTV type set-top box that did everything... movie/music player, digital TV receiver/recorder,internet browser and games machine. Luckily while I wait and dream away I've got my trusty classic Amigas to keep me busy.
A500  1.2
A500  1.3 1meg
A500+ 2.0 1.5meg,A570
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A1200 3.0 16meg blizzard 1230,580MB HD
 

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2006, 07:17:26 AM »
sdyates that's very similar to my "Amiga Experience" (or perhaps "Commodore Experience" is a bit more accurate).

Got a Vic20 back in...oh, 83? or so.  With a Datasette.  I programmed in BASIC like crazy.  I remember this old late 70's fisheye b&w TV I had the thing hooked up to...heck, come to think on it a B&W set was what I used with my C64 which came a couple years later.

The VIC-20 though...as I said, I programmed in BASIC.  'Course I had a lot of games, too.  Let's see...I think Lunar Lander from Commodore was the first one, then some of the Scott Adams Adventure International games came next (man how I tried and tried to write my own interactive fiction in that 3.9 kilobytes of free memory on the VIC!)...what else...oh, yeah, I had Omega Race, that was a pip.

Then I got a C64 (still didn't have a disk drive for a couple of years) and just carried on - heck most of my BASIC projects came along for the ride, too.  The amount of software I had on that thing came and went in a blur.  Some favorites were the ZORK series (all 6 of 'em at the time), Gunship (the first version that booted without the animation, just a still splash screen - the guy at the s/w store said I had the first copy out of the shipping crate...man I loved military flight sims!), F19 Stealth Fighter, innumerable pirated games ;-)...

Oh and GEOS too.  Wrote a bunch of papers in high school with GEOS and my Okidata thermal printer.  Over on my cork board next to my office door I still have one of the "demo" pictures that you could print out with an Okidata printer on the '64.  The Samurai picking his teeth.  Anyone remember that one?

Between the VIC-20 and the C64 I remember Commodore's slew of bad computers, like the C16.  I recall the Compute!'s Gazette showcasing all of 'em and putting a positive spin on them.  I remember thinking if I busted my butt all summer long, I could probably save the scratch up for a C16 and that looked like a pretty good upgrade path (a mere $99 when a C64 was the princely sum of $189), and then migrate to a C264 :-P  Boy am I ever glad I didn't go down that route.

Jumping back ahead, I remember the '85 issue of Compute's! Gazette that covered the Amiga in all its glory.  The A1000 debuted for..oh what was it, $1999.95?  Anyway it was pretty much out of the reach of a fifteen year old anyway.  But oh did I drool over it.  I remember when some demo team or the other released this little demo on the C64 that was the Deluxe Paint "King Tut's Mask" complete with a blue Intuition bar at the top of the screen and a "mouse pointer" (really just a sprite).  You ran the demo and you could pull the image up and down like you were moving a custom screen.

It was too painful. After spending an evening playing with it periodically I deleted it off of the floppy it came on - I couldn't stand it; it was like giving a rubber bone to a starving dog.

Anyway, in 1988 or so, I wound up getting a C128 as a b'day present; my C64's power supply died and my folks knew I wanted a new computer, so they got me the 128 (not being able to afford the Amiga).

The 128 wasn't much to write home about.  The 80 column mode required a better monitor than a mere color TV (yep, had a color set by then), and IIRC there was *never* any "C128 only" software.  'course I could be wrong.

That lasted about six months.  In early '89 I went to college for the first time and made the Dean's list.  To show their appreciation my folks bought me the last computer they'd ever buy me...an Amiga!  An Amiga 500, to be exact.  

Let me divert to a funny/heartbreaking story about that one.  At the time, my pop had enough money to get me an A2000 and practically insisted I let him.  The A2000's they were selling at the time were going for about...$2099.99 IIRC.  The reseller had A2000HDs configured with A2088 boards and bundled them with a monitor and was billing it as "two computers for the price of one".  

BUT.

I felt so guilty at the notion of my dad spending so much money, when I was 19!  I demurred, and insisted on an A500.  

The 500 was a lot of fun but I got to tell y'all... it was the death of programming for me, forever.  I thought for sure with the Amiga's BASIC (ABasic, or AmigaBASIC, I don't recall which it was) would make my dreams of writing an F18 sim (!) come true.  Oh, speaking of F18 Sims...I got EA's "F18" the night I got the 500 and it was unplayably slow.  Over the years as I had the 500, I ran in to that problem a few times.  F18, OMEGA from Origin and Starflight also from EA ran too slowly to be played.  They were literally slide shows.  Did anyone else ever experience this?

Well, to return to the topic at hand, I loved my A500 but soon found myself doing little more with it than playing games.  I didn't really understand AmigaDOS - heck I had a frustrating night trying to copy one file from DF0: to DF1: !  My Workbench disk got corrupted a few days after I got the machine and I was the only person I knew who had one.  In my frustration I stuck the Preferences disk in and set my screen color to black, my cursor and mouse pointer colors to white and left it that way (did I mention I was still using a TV?  Well, I was...and would for years to come).

Fortunately a guy who ran a shareware library that had all of the Fish Disks made me a copy of WB1.3.2 and made me back it up right there (ha! :-) ) in front of him.  I went home, got back in to WB and away I went.  I did a few more slightly productive things with the '500...I got a 1200 baud modem for it (yep!  1200 baud!), a few shareware tools like a nice "word processor" (really just a text editor with a few whistles and bells), and a few shareware 3d programs.  A friend sent me a copy of Vista 1.0 and I had a HECK of a lot of fun with that - including rendering little one and two second terrain flyovers that actually impressed my mom who was NOT a "computer person".  Ah, late childhood!

My A500 underwent a lot of changes.  I recall spending most of a tax return on it: An AdSpeed (14mhz baby!), another 1mb of RAM in a Supra sidecar attachment, a 2mb Agnus chip, another 512k for the trapdoor, a new Lisa chip...and a couple CIAs to replace the ones I blew up. ;-)

I had the 500 from '89 to '92 and sold it for enough scratch to buy a bare A1200.  I was back to square one: an unexpanded Amiga that was in many ways inferior to my A500 (although it did feature a hard drive interface that got used "eventually").  I had picked up a used 1084S somewhere along the way and finally got rid of that damned TV.  I struggled along with a 2m CHIP/no FAST Amiga for a while.  Then, one day, mana from heaven.  A fellow who used a local C-Net BBS with a large following in the open chat room was getting out of the Amiga scene.  Commodore was dying, the company who had just three years prior had stock trading at 23 was now barely listable.  So he was getting out.  He gave me a DKB1204 (GAVE)!  I got a 4mb SIMM (for the princely sum of $179) and installed it and had a powerhouse of an Amiga...

...about two years too late.  The ship had sailed, and the writing was on the wall for C=.  Well we all know what happened in 1994.  Already, in the US, Amiga software was for the most part mail-order only.  I held on, and kept my ear to the ground and watched things unfold (or fold up, rather) for the Amiga.  But in the end, I knew it was all on the PC platform.  As much as I liked the Amiga, the games and applications were (for me) just not there.  And that was that.

I gave my little 1200, with it's 60mb hard drive, 28mhz 030 card and 4mb RAM, a new owner for enough scratch to buy the parts to build a PC (but that's another story).

Amiga ownership for me is part of an Odyssey of Commodore computers.  I still have one issue of AmigaWorld (a US based magazine that ran for most of the Amiga's life and about a little bit thereafter), and an official publication from Commodore (through Hayden) titled "Stimulating Simulations for the VIC".  One magazine from each end of my C= ownership.

Appropriate bookends, no pun intended.

I have since then been through innumerable PCs.  I'd like to say that little bits and pieces have migrated along with me, but nothing really has.  My first PC had a 170mb hard drive in the days of 300-500mb drives.  The abuse I put that poor little thing through was unspeakable.  It struggled along and put up with me cramming Win95 onto it (after having doublespaced it)...well, no, wait. I'm doing one bit of hardware a disservice: my first PC case.  It's a nondescript AT PC case but I've had it for thirteen years now.  It has over the years held a '486 dx4/100 (AMD clone), a '486 dx2/80 (another AMD after I blew up the 100 by improperly grounding myself :-( ), a 5x86-120 (that was improperly jumpered on the motherboard, and so failed, thanks to the vendor), a Cyrix PR166 (which ran about the same speed as a P100 and I hated it, but that was probably because of the sucky 170mb HD as well), a Pentium 200mmx and since I went to a different case (actually many cases) it gathered dust for a few years but was finally resurrected in 2002 as a "domain server" running WinNT4 Server on a 1 gig SCSI HD (with a trio of other SCSI drivers), with a P120 CPU and 32(!!!) MB RAM.  It was slowly upgraded to a P166 with 64 and then 128 MB (whereupon it became a Win2000 server), then to a P200, and in what will be it's final incarnation: An AT slot-1 motherboard with a PII/350, 384mb RAM and a 10gig HD.  All in that same sixteen year old decal and sticker covered AT case.  

Sorry for going all PC related in that last bit, guys.

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 08:24:38 AM »
Ok, let's add my 'story'...

I had my first computer (the mandatory C64) when I was 13, back in about '84 and payed for it with the money earned in a summer's hard work. Lots of fun and slowly expanding it over the years, I became aware of the Amiga. First the A1000 (which was wáy out of my league), and then the A500/A2000.

Wow! That was it! I _had_ to have an A500! After finding enough money I bought an A500 with A1084 in 1988. Within one or two months I also bought an A501 and an A1010, as the A500 was not really usable without them. I kept on expanding my A500 with a 24 pin matrix printer, an 80 MB harddrive (MacroSystem Evolution), 2 MB fastram and a KCS Power PC Board. A pretty hefty setup back in the days, but I found myself using the MS-DOS side (Power PC Board!) most of the time. After I got out of the army I looked at my bankaccount (which had quite a nice amount of money on it, thanks to the Dutch Army!) and bought a hideously expensive 486DX2/66 with 8 MB ram and a 245 MB harddrive in 1993. The A500 went out, like the C64 a few years before that.

That was the last time I only had one computer. Since then, I started to build up a respectable amount of computers, most of them setup in my dedicated computerroom. Apart from my Windowscomputers, I have several Commodore 8 bits machines and two Amigas (A1200 & A3000), all of them ready to run. I tend to (slowly) expand these classics as much as I can, taking them to where I would never even have thought about back in the days when either my C64 or my A500 were my maincomputers.
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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 09:36:37 AM »
what the hell is this ?
is this post a TV comedia for women?

This is like a forum where a chick narrate the sad and pain love history of your life and other chicks says:

ooohhhh !  it's a suffering !

come on..don't be stupids with this crap

btw: I have a question for us:

are you gays or simply nostalgic idiots?
cause I can't imagine a real man writing this kind of crap
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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2006, 10:28:25 AM »
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Laser wrote:
are you gays or simply nostalgic idiots?
cause I can't imagine a real man writing this kind of crap

You must be gay as well because you read it. :madashell: :-D
 

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2006, 11:07:19 AM »
The short story goes something like this:

When I was a kid of some 8-9 years I had a friend with a NES and a friend with a C64. Much time was spent with these two individuals as I didn't have anything like this myself and other friends, well... they didn't either.

When I was 12 I got a MasterSys for birthday. The same year I bought a C64 that was in my possesion for a total of 3 hours before I was forced to return it as the elders had spoken against it (or rather it's pricetag).

In amongst this time I also realized my grandparents neighbor kid got a computer. Grand spanking new A500 sported hours of fun with north and south.

My dad met up with a new girl when I was 15 and her oldest son, a few years older than me, had an A500+/030. Played loads of fun games on that one he also progged quite a bit of AMOS on it. But then as I turned 16 I ran into some troubles with an old man who clubbered me and the court granted me some $. Well... it was spent on a Moped and an A600. Little did I know then that the A500+/030 was for sale at a much lower rate as the above said son now had an A1200.

Anyway, this A600 was what realy got things started and since the above said son now had an a1200 it didn't take long before I just had to have one aswell... and so I did.. and my GF at the time got the A600. Time went on and I upgraded it quite a bit. Then came the day when I started to come by more $ and finaly there was a chanse to save loads of cash as long as noodles and walking was prioritized... and they where. And so I came to buy an A4000 with 060. Ow boy it was different but it was a bit flakey and I got the seller to agree to take it back in exchange I payed a few $ more and walked away with his A4000 060 in Micronic tower. This baby was so nice and I had much fun with it.

Then came the dark ages. I had turned 21 and some firends played Diablo and also surfed the web and watched unspecified movies. All of witch I could not attend with this computer so I bought an P166 on the side. Not long there after I had to move and needed $ so sadly had to part with my A4000T and settle with the A1200 (now downgraded again as a friend of mine needed upgrading his A1200). All was fine until later that year when the PSU on the A1200 started to fail.

Fast forward 2 years while the A1200 was in the clauset. I met up with a group of Amiga enthusiast. They helped me get the A1200 on it's feet again and the hole world of Retro opened up to me. $ was plentyfull compared to the earler years (though still not plentyfull enough). I started collecting and uppgrading and buy in big quantities to take wanted parts and part way with the leftovers for most times a bit of a profit. Now and then I toss a few 100's of $ into new bits and peises and it's become the collection of machines and hardware I have today visible from the link in my signature below.

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2006, 11:57:18 AM »
lopos,

Im not a gay
Im very MACHO MAN
and
I made a only quickview of this content
and quicly I understand that this is for idiots

anyways I see that your opinion is identical as mine
or Im wrong?
if not please add your love history


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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2006, 12:08:26 PM »
@Laser:

You're like that guy that goes to Disneyland just to moan about how childish it all is...

And just like that guy, you won't be taken seriously either.
 

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2006, 12:18:57 PM »
@ Laser:
- learn how to use interpunction;
- learn how to use capitals;
- learn how to type English;
- get a life.

Nofi, ofcourse...
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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2006, 12:23:43 PM »
Quote

Laser wrote:
lopos,

Im not a gay
Im very MACHO MAN
with a little penis  :-D and no brain.  :lol:
 

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2006, 01:36:57 PM »
@Laser

How about you go read the posting guidelines instead!
 

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2006, 01:49:44 PM »
Yes, lazer, real men don't read novels (you probably call them "story books"), they only read engineering text books.  :roll:
 

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Re: Amiga Nostalgia
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2006, 06:05:32 PM »
@Laser

Two people got banned last week for less than this, so if I were you (and I'm not - thank God) I'd shut my pie hole. Telling people that they're idiots and gays because they want to talk about their computer history is pathetic and immature. If you're too "macho" to be here, then bugger off. There's nothing "gay" or stupid about this thread (...well, except for a few posts by a guy named "Laser").


I find this thread interesting. It shows that many of us have had similar experiences.