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Offline Matt_HTopic starter

Fun with MorphOS
« on: September 22, 2006, 06:53:06 AM »
Just got it installed on my Peg today. Still need to do more to get a functional system up, but my first impressions are not so good :-(

I'm finding Ambient clunky and unintuitive and ModeEdit keeps locking up the system, so I can't get any screenmodes defined. Can't seem to get Miami online either.

More reports as I get more things operational...
 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 07:01:54 AM »
I had the same impressions of Ambient initially. The newer versions are _much_ better, so I would strongly recommend you install the latest nightly build. Just make sure you install MUI4 first.

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10  IT\'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
20  FOR C = 1 TO 2
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50  NEXT C
60  NA-NA-NAAAA
70  NA-NA NA-NA-NA-NA-NAAAA NAAA-NAAAAAAAAAAA
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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2006, 07:14:52 AM »
Use the latest Ambient. If you don't like it you can always use ScalOS, DOpus5 (with the patch to view PNG icons) or WorkBench3.9 (thanks to Elena Novaretti it's not very difficult. You'll have to patch workbench.library).

Try the latest Ambient, IMHO it's great but if you don't like it install the old good WB3.9 with the Elena Novaretti patches and tools.

BTW, the ModeEdit crashes are very rare, I have never made it lock up.

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2006, 07:21:18 AM »
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ModeEdit keeps locking up the system, so I can't get any screenmodes defined. Can't seem to get Miami online either.
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Wow, how you did this? I have never managed to crash the system using modeedit, ever. And I mean, when I bought my TFT I deleted everything and made new modes during 2-3 days for several times.

And MiamiDX works also 100% ok. Are you sure your cable is connected to correct plug, not to the gb-eth? Sure you are using the correct eth-device?

 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2006, 07:42:21 AM »
Regarding Ambient we are interested to know how it could be made better :-)
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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2006, 08:15:54 AM »
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Just got it installed on my Peg today. Still need to do more to get a functional system up, but my first impressions are not so good :-(


Well... what model of peg is it?

Pegasos 1 or 2?

And Ambient Version is that released with MOS 1.4.5 or prior than this?

I must say that Ambient of MOS 1.4.5 is not a wonder of the wonders Guided User Interface.

It is just quite good and usable, but not excellent.

Infacts, for example "Doctor Morbius FP" - Fulvio Peruggi, one of the best Morphers worldwide and a man with a great reputation here in Italy and also on morphzone.org community, he still prefer far better his DirOpus Magellan Interface.

Try to install MUI4 (it is a BETA) and last nightly build of Ambient, or the last stable version.

It has been very improved!

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I'm finding Ambient clunky and unintuitive and ModeEdit keeps locking up the system, so I can't get any screenmodes defined. Can't seem to get Miami online either.


If you get some problems regarding these programs, visit morphzone.org forum to get help with experienced users...

http://www.morphzone.org

But first just check the priceless BOOK OF PEGASOS online

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http://www.wikipeg.org/

It will guide you thru managing all the OS in its deep.
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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2006, 08:41:34 AM »
@ itix

Please, strongly increase the density of invisible grid to which icons are automatically aligned, or even get rid of that annoying grid and let the user drag icons dot by dot like it is on classic Workbench.
Please, let the user put some system resources' infos on the top Ambient's bar like total- in use- free ram, cpu usage, opened screens and so on.

Have not the latest nightly built and may be the above things already exist in Ambient. :-)
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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2006, 08:48:13 AM »
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r-tea wrote:
@ itix

Please, strongly increase the density of invisible grid to which icons are automatically aligned, or even get rid of that annoying grid and let the user drag icons dot by dot like it is on classic Workbench.
Please, let the user put some system resources' infos on the top Ambient's bar like total- in use- free ram, cpu usage, opened screens and so on.

Have not the latest nightly built and may be the above things already exist in Ambient. :-)


This has been discussed many times, and I remember one solution suggested being a qualifierkey to pixelprecise positioning. Don't know if it was ever realised though.
 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2006, 10:15:58 AM »
@r-tea

The latest Ambient builds have an option to emulate Workbench mode.
Edit Advanced.conf in SYS:Prefs/Ambient and uncomment line having

autosort = false

This option might get into main prefs too.

System info in screen title bar doesnt really belong to Ambient and I
dont see any reason why this should be limited to Ambient screen only.
It is better done at Intuition level, maybe by expanding title bar
clock. Or you could install MCP :-)
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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2006, 03:27:57 PM »
Phew! Lots of stuff to respond to. :-)

@ motorollin

Yes, new Ambient and MUI4 are among my first plans when I get Miami working.

@ hooligan

Trying to adjust the parameters of a 320x240 mode (while testing) freezes the machine entirely. Had to do a hard reset.

@ itix

Heh, it's nice to be in a community where we can have an open discussion with developers :-). I see that Workbench-style icon arrangement is already planned, to which I say "Hooray!" I'd also like to see the contents of the context menus available from the titlebar menu.

@ others

Regarding Miami, it's a strange problem. It goes online and I can ping the other machine (my 4000T) on my little subnet, I can get DNS information resolved, but I can't access anything outside my university's domain name. I don't have this problem under Debian, but the same thing happened under MOLK and PegXMac. Hardware is a shiny new Peg2 and yes, I'm using the correct ethernet port. I was chalking it up to Linux weirdness, but the fact it's happening on the Amiga side too (and that my Miami install/settings are copied directly from the 4000) is beginning to bother me.
 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2006, 05:04:47 PM »
@Matt_H
Why don't you try MOSNet? It's free, PPC native, and dead easy to set up. I had it working within minutes.

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10  IT\'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
20  FOR C = 1 TO 2
30     DA-NA-NAAAA-NAAAA DA-NA-NA-NA-NAAAA
40     DA-NA-NAAAA-NAAAA DA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NAAAAA
50  NEXT C
60  NA-NA-NAAAA
70  NA-NA NA-NA-NA-NA-NAAAA NAAA-NAAAAAAAAAAA
80  GOTO 10
 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2006, 05:45:36 PM »
Crumb:

"DOpus5 (with the patch to view PNG icons)"

Umm.. you have patch which shows PNG icons _inside_ DOpus5? Or do you mean that you run DOpus5 beside the Ambient?
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Offline Matt_HTopic starter

Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2006, 10:27:20 PM »
I just got Envoy working, so I'll be trying that momentarily.
 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 10:55:30 PM »
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Umm.. you have patch which shows PNG icons _inside_ DOpus5? Or do you mean that you run DOpus5 beside the Ambient?


DOpus 5 has its own icon library which cannot handle PNG Icons if you run DOpus as Workbench Replacement.

 

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Re: Fun with MorphOS
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2006, 02:54:46 PM »
"DOpus 5 has its own icon library which cannot handle PNG Icons if you run DOpus as Workbench Replacement."

Yes, but what's that patch mentioned?
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