The Ultimate A4000T Setup is FOR SALE

[buzz]

>147GIG Seagate U320 SCSI Hard Drive (34MB/SEC ON THE A4000T)

How do you get 34mb a second from a controller that can do 25mb/second max ?

[fatboy]

read this thread with interest!

If the guy is no longer in a position to use/enjoy his machine, and the amount he is asking is clearly too much in some peoples opinion then parhapes he might like to 'donate' it to a worthy Amiga cuase? An active user club or something?

Just thought?

[leirbag28]

@whiteb

The problem with an Emulated Amiga is:


1) You cant stick a Video Toaster in it
2) You cant plug a DSS8+ sound sampler on it
3) You cant use a Genlock and make Videos with it
4) You cant plug real Amiga joysticks easily
5) it doesnt feel the same at all
6) a Real Amiga is both the Hardware and Software

Amigas are NEVER about Software alone!  which is why the AmigaONE is NOT an Amiga...........I see it an a WinUAE hardware but on PPC.

An Amiga OS like this on some clone PPC machine will NEVER EVER EVER in 3 Billion years compete with Windows or MacOS....EVER!   No Reason whats so ever to make anyone switch................and while some may say "it wasnt intended to compete"  then Why bother creating Amiga stuff for such a small community?  I guess Amiga Inc wants to have the goal of staying POOR!

While I would be interested in an AmigaONE  it will never be an Amiga to me.

Amiga Will DEFINITELY compete and have wayy more chances if they created the HARDWARE and OS themseleves to be fully integrated and familiar with its own chips because the same people made it.  Thats an AMIGA!  anything less is FAKE!

Thats why WinUAE is fake and will never be a REAL Amiga and neither will an AmigaONE.

I am all for an AmigaONE.....dont get me wrong...i will take whatever I can get if it has the Boing Ball slapped onto it  (yes  slapped on even)  but We Highly prefer a REAL Amiga, otherwise I rather stickk to MacOSX   ......LIFE is Short!  anyone want to play guessing rounds for another 15 years trying to guess what OS or machine to select?  

I have wasted enough years on Amiga. LIFE IS SHORT!  give me a REAL Amiga and act fast!  then I will see reason to own an Amiga again and not see my years wasted.  Amigas were good because they worked!  I gaurantee that AmigaONE's will need drivers, and drivers written, and incompatibilty issues with gfx cards and hardware..............and quite simply....More headaches!   I already have this with WindowsXP, wich is why I am MacOSX guy now.


This should make sence! hmmmmmmmmmmm I am kinda going off on another topic here hehe..............but it needs to be said.

OS4 on a Custom Chipset Amiga please!  a NEW NG PPC Custom Amiga or even X86 custom Amiga..........In bewteen a console and computer!.

W

[B00tDisk]

Amiga Will DEFINITELY compete and have wayy more chances if they created the HARDWARE and OS themseleves to be fully integrated and familiar with its own chips because the same people made it.  Thats an AMIGA!  anything less is FAKE!

Except the guy who designed most of the Amigas (Dave Haynie) will pretty much tell you flat out that you're wrong.

Guess who's opinion I trust?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Van_M]

OS4 on a Custom Chipset Amiga please!

you already have it. And you had it for many, many years! They are called "dedicated processors" and they do 3d graphics (geforce, radeon) environmental sound (sb) etc. Before them, the cpu had to cope with everything. Sure, these chips don't have the commodore logo or the boing ball "slapped" on them (as you say ;-)) but still the whole concept is 100% Amiga influenced.  :-)  

[Jose]

"A picasso IV and cvppc is nice...but the performance can be beaten with mediator..."

Performance is relative. The transfer speeds on the CV are the best the Classic has attained. The Mediator and the Prometheus are rather mediocre with only around 10MB/s. I remember the Prometheus was just marginally faster, maybe it will get faster when they finally finish the firmware update.

Graphic Blitting and 3D yeah, sure... And I guess transfer speed differences varying from 14-16Mb to 10Mb/s, you probably are more interested in getting a faster GPU on your gfx card.

[JaXanim]

I think everyone's missing the point here. Whether this kit is worth three and a half grand to you is irrelevant. This stuff is thoroughbred Amiga, not something as good as or better than or pretending to be. What's faster? What's it matter. That's not what it's about.

It's a bit like those other Picassos people sell now and then.

What would Picasso's 'Sunflowers' sell for? Twenty million? Fifty million? A hundred? Well I wouldn't say it was worth anything like that. It looks like a child's daub to me, but I'm not a connoisseur of the impressionists. I like the picture OK, but I'd be happy with a photo or a cheap print of it. That's the difference between those who say 'it's a rip off', 'not worth it' and the few who see things differently.

There are rich connoisseurs of everything and anything these days including Amigas. They don't necessarily chat to the likes of us and frequent Amiga.org, but they know what they like and they'll know the genuine thing when they see it. It's about the genuine thing. It's about provenance, that intangible quality some things have that no modern substitute can ever give. It has love built into it from 20 years' effort and use.

It would take considerable effort (and expense) to put this same kit together today. You would probably have to post wanted ads for all the original hardware and that puts up the price. How many PIVs do you see on offer? One now and then. How many Zorro Preludes have you seen on AmiBench? Not one I bet. How long would you be prepared to work getting it all together? A year? Two years? Five maybe? How much would you reckon your effort is worth at a daily rate?

No, this is an opportunity for those rare buyers of rare things. It's not up to anyone here to pour cold water on this guy's hopes. He's selling part of his life here. Part of himself. And the best of luck to him I say.

JaX

[stopthegop]

JaXanim wrote:
I think everyone's missing the point here. Whether this kit is worth three and a half grand to you is irrelevant. This stuff is thoroughbred Amiga, not something as good as or better than or pretending to be. What's faster? What's it matter. That's not what it's about.

It's a bit like those other Picassos people sell now and then.

What would Picasso's 'Sunflowers' sell for? Twenty million? Fifty million? A hundred? Well I wouldn't say it was worth anything like that. It looks like a child's daub to me, but I'm not a connoisseur of the impressionists. I like the picture OK, but I'd be happy with a photo or a cheap print of it. That's the difference between those who say 'it's a rip off', 'not worth it' and the few who see things differently.

There are rich connoisseurs of everything and anything these days including Amigas. They don't necessarily chat to the likes of us and frequent Amiga.org, but they know what they like and they'll know the genuine thing when they see it. It's about the genuine thing. It's about provenance, that intangible quality some things have that no modern substitute can ever give. It has love built into it from 20 years' effort and use.

It would take considerable effort (and expense) to put this same kit together today. You would probably have to post wanted ads for all the original hardware and that puts up the price. How many PIVs do you see on offer? One now and then. How many Zorro Preludes have you seen on AmiBench? Not one I bet. How long would you be prepared to work getting it all together? A year? Two years? Five maybe? How much would you reckon your effort is worth at a daily rate?

No, this is an opportunity for those rare buyers of rare things. It's not up to anyone here to pour cold water on this guy's hopes. He's selling part of his life here. Part of himself. And the best of luck to him I say.

JaX

I agree with your sentiment.  But wasn't in Vincent Van  Gogh who did Sunflowers?

[B00tDisk]

JaXanim wrote:
I think everyone's missing the point here. Whether this kit is worth three and a half grand to you is irrelevant. This stuff is thoroughbred Amiga, not something as good as or better than or pretending to be. What's faster? What's it matter. That's not what it's about.

A bloo bloo bloo.  It matters to anyone trying to do anything professionally, that's what.  And that's what a toaster/flyer setup is directed at.  Hobbyists interested in frittering around with home video aren't going to blow $3k on proprietary, irreplacable hardware.  A $99 Vide-OH! card from CompUSA is going to do them better.  A serious professional is going to need things done in a timely fashion, and a 60 or 75mhz Toasterized Amiga, no matter how pure of heart or good the intention, ain't gettin' it.

[JaXanim]

@stopthegop

You're right. I said I'm no connoisseur!

@BOOtDisk

As I said, I think you're missing the point, but everything you say is true.

JaX

[Corrie]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230035779724

I have relisted the complete setup for just $2800 Australian. To answer a few questions I seem to be getting, please read the following.

The max transfer rate of the Cyberstorm MKIII is 40Mb/sec so yes 34mb/sec is what I get.

The 68060 I have is the latest rev mask, so yes the ones that the atari users have overclocked to 100Mhz. I chose 75Mhz for sensibility and it works flawlesly. YES it is full FPU/MMU working stable at 75Mhz.

The setup is a big part of my life. The system is quality from head to toe and has been a result of many years of finding hard to get pieces of hardware. So in response to many emails, I will not take $1000 for the lot. $2800 is the lowest I will go, if it doesn't sell, it doesn't. I will have to accept that.

The system will not be split up as I do not need or want left over parts.

As for the cost being more then the latest systems etc. All of us who use the Amiga have paid out money for hardware that is not as fast as PC hardware. Please don't compare it in hope that i will simply give the system away, it will not happen. 5 years ago I could compare faster PC hardware against the Amiga, if the Amiga is so expensive why do we all continue to use it over the years? Because its quality and a cult system.

I hope this answers alot of your questions. Good luck to the Amiga in the future.

[adz]

@Corrie

Stand your ground mate, I'm sure someone will snap it up at its current price. I've come across a few Amiga nuts in my time who will pay pretty much anything for rare Amiga gear, you just have to wait for word to get around. Lets not forget the Amber board that went for over AU$400 not that long ago ;-)

[c64_d0c]

@Corrie

if i was you i would kept the 3500 price tag, its worth at least that. all this crap talk about emulators and compering pc prices with an amiga 4000t here just show what i said earlyer, there is alot of cheap bastadrs here. its a classic and got all the top-notch hard to get pieces, dont listen to them cheap bastadrs... you will get your price, when there is a serious buyer, if he dont show up now keep the system.... you can always put it up for sale again later...


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[stopthegop]

c64_d0c wrote:
@Corrie

if i was you i would kept the 3500 price tag, its worth at least that. all this crap talk about emulators and compering pc prices with an amiga 4000t here just show what i said earlyer, there is alot of cheap bastadrs here. its a classic and got all the top-notch hard to get pieces, dont listen to them cheap bastadrs... you will get your price, when there is a serious buyer, if he dont show up now keep the system.... you can always put it up for sale again later...

Right on.  Most of these so-called "comparisons" are bogus.  PCs are the fastest things on earth -- very few things depreciate faster.   Amigas have an indellible reputation for quality that cements it is an object of value, regardless of age.  PC makers also have a reputation - one that is best summarized in a single word: 'disposable'.  

[Damion]

stopthegop wrote:

c64_d0c wrote:
@Corrie

if i was you i would kept the 3500 price tag, its worth at least that. all this crap talk about emulators and compering pc prices with an amiga 4000t here just show what i said earlyer, there is alot of cheap bastadrs here. its a classic and got all the top-notch hard to get pieces, dont listen to them cheap bastadrs... you will get your price, when there is a serious buyer, if he dont show up now keep the system.... you can always put it up for sale again later...

Right on.  Most of these so-called "comparisons" are bogus.  PCs are the fastest things on earth -- very few things depreciate faster.   Amigas have an indellible reputation for quality that cements it is an object of value, regardless of age.  PC makers also have a reputation - one that is best summarized in a single word: 'disposable'.  

Sure, but not every aspect of the PC world is artless and "disposable". I've been using a stainless Cooler Master case for years, and it's beautiful... much nicer than any of the crappy plastic cases of the 80's. There's a lot of solid function *and* "art" to be found in the PC world, my waterblocks qualify as that and will be useful for years to come. You can buy all kinds of quality PC hardware, if you're willing to spend the money.

That being said, original Amigas are still cool, but it's all a matter of perspective. I use WinUAE 99% of the time I want to play around with anything amiga related (I think it's fantastic, works flawlessly for me... and I could really care less who considers it "teh r33l am1ga" or not), but sometimes it's fun to fire up an A500, as a matter of sentiment. Some people feel the same way about vintage PC hardware, too.

So what is the price for "sentiment"?? It's all relative... some people will spend 20k on a Ducati, when a Japanese bike half the price will (in many cases) blow it off the road.

I don't really think the OPs price is that out of line... it's not easy to put together a fully stacked, mint condition A4000 these days. But no one who would consider buying something like that is doing so becasue it's "better than a PC", or to do professional video. That's obviously ridiculous. It's a heart/nostalgia issue... therefore it'll be "worth it" to some, and not to others. Heck, I just saw someone pay US $250 for a C64 and disk drive on ebay the other day, and I thought THAT was totally nuts...

[hamtronix]

Why doesnt this cat just use a Reserve price, then when he doesnt get the amount he reserves it for he can (if it is to his liking) offer the system to the highest bidder.