Can there be room for another system?

[GreggBz]

alewis wrote:
stick a floppy in an XP rig an format it.. and watch the system come to a halt

Seriously, I just tried it, (formating a floppy, it took some real digging to actually find one here at work) it wasn't that bad. I could still browse use openoffice etc.. And I'd say my 2.5Ghz PC did it at least 5%-6% faster then my A1200 :lol:

[alewis]

GreggBz wrote:
Seriously, I just tried it, (formating a floppy, it took some real digging to actually find one here at work) it wasn't that bad. I could still browse use openoffice etc.. And I'd say my 2.5Ghz PC did it at least 5%-6% faster then my A1200 :lol:

LOL! I get the hour hand when I do it. Sure, I can still download, but not a lot else.

What, pray, are you doing browsing Amiga sites whilst at work ;-)

[adonay]

Hmm breaktrughs or new exiting things in todays computerworld ? Hmmm not that big ones but for me at leased Is the chip market the upcoming PPU "when it becomes usefull" physics processing unit btw, as well as i am interested in seeing the ATI\AMD chip cpu\gpu combination and how cheap it is and not too say power efficient.. Just minor things really but things are happnening like quad core annyone? with hyperthreading and 4 cores will soon be real.. Seems we are hitting a multicore market now with better multitasking compability something that i have missed to be honest... To be allowed to run several hard core power hungry 3d,video,rendering apps at the same time and allow you to have more workflow.. I have had the feeling for the previous years that the software always want more than the best hardware can give but now with my latest dual intel Dual-Core Xeon 3ghz seems no software is able to break it as hardware is winning back its place the same goes for say my gaming computer a amd x2 4400 with 1 gig mem or even my core duo notebook they all are much better hardware compared to programs requirements for say 2 years ago IMO! ...


As for new os i have moved too Ubuntu linux and do 80% of all my work from there :-P and it will only become better and better and at leased this os work as you want it too work ..

[Nycran]

There is a new platform, it's called the Internet.  This platform is not specific to an OS or hardware.. it is something else entirely.

The internet didn't even exist (at least, not for commonplace use) back when I was an Amiga loving teenager.  
Since then it has become the cornerstone of modern day communications.  

The Internet lets me learn about what's going on in the world with a degree of honesty and speed not previously possible.  I can research pretty much anything and draw my own conclusions.  I can sleep soundly knowing that no one, not even the USA, can control what I learn or know about.

As time goes by, the Internet becomes more and more central to the way I do my computing.  I firmly believe that in another 10 - 15 years, we will be doing the vast majority or our computing using Internet servers.  Google is paving the way (and boy oh boy do those guys Innovate!), but there's other companies too making inroads.

We don't need another OS or hardware platform.  We just need  even faster bandwidth and better software to exploit it.

Another area of major innovation, perhaps not in the next 10 years, but certainly in the 20 - 30 range, is going to be robotics.  Robotic assistants, pets, etc will be the Amiga to kids of the future - they will bring the joy and fun that we had with it.  Research and sales in this area is going nuts, and this only increase.

End of rant. :-)

[Waccoon]

ALewis:  stick a floppy in an XP rig an format it.. and watch the system come to a halt

This is a hardware issue.  Get a USB floppy (free of horrible ISA legacy hardware), and your problems will disappear.

Adz:  Funny, I was thinking about this earlier today, computing really doesn't excite me anymore, even in the days of 486 and Pentium, it was quite exciting, not as exciting as the C64/Amiga days, but it was certainly better than now.

I agree 100%.  The problem is that there was more emphasis on creativity back then.  You know, when your Amiga came bundled with DPaint.  These days, it's all about shoveling content you don't want into your face.

That's why I like Oekaki.  Artists (sometimes very talented ones with tablets) get together and draw pictures online in a forum-like atmosphere.  Paintchat is the same, but it's in realtime, like a chat room.  That's a million times more fun than browsing web sites.

Oh, if only Windows came with Oekaki and not Solitaire...

BTW, the name is weird because it's a Japanese thing.

Adz:  However, having read some articles pertaining to Windows Vista RC1, things do look a little bleak. E.g. machines running a GeForce 7900 were experiencing excessive fan noise because the chip was running at 100% just trying to render the bloody GUI. How on earth is that supposed to be exciting?

Unfortunately, GPU manufacturers haven't put any serious thought into throttling like CPU manufacturers have, so as long as 3D is active, processor utilization will always be close to 100%.

As with CPUs, 100% utilization doesn't mean the chips are being stressed to their limit.  Hopefully, the introduction of Vista will force GPU developers to rethink their tactics, which really should have been done five years ago.

Adonay: Hmm breaktrughs or new exiting things in todays computerworld ? Hmmm not that big ones but for me at leased Is the chip market the upcoming PPU "when it becomes usefull" physics processing unit

Blech.  PPUs are not as accurate as CPU calculations, which is one reason they are faster.  This fad is pretty dumb -- a throwback to math coprocessors.  As more standardized tools become available, PPUs will die quickly in favor of more generalized vector units.

Nycran: There is a new platform, it's called the Internet. This platform is not specific to an OS or hardware.. it is something else entirely.

LAMP?  XML?  AJAX?

I think I'm going to be sick. :egad:

[sdyates]

I 100% agree! And I thought AROS was an attempt in this area.

irishmike wrote:
@Cgutjahr
Yes I have stated that the future of Amiga OS is to build a gui that is "AmigaOS like" ontop of UNIX many times.   I would dearly love to see a departure from that model if it could be done in a way that is as solid as those UNIX boxes.

[alewis]

Waccoon wrote:
This is a hardware issue.  Get a USB floppy (free of horrible ISA legacy hardware), and your problems will disappear.

Been there, done it, tried it. And it didn't work. 5 different USB floppies, didn't work on any of my rigs, nor any in the shop.  Sony units, too....

[irishmike]

@sdyates

I looked at AROS, and maybe I am missing something, but isn't it fully an emulator?  Maybe it only runs on Intel based boxes -- (of which I have zero currently)... but it seemed to me that it was an emulation or some such thing like that, so I lost interest very quickly reading their site.

They may indeed however be on the right track, whose to say?

[TheMagicM]

@irishmike:

AROS to me I thought was a rewrite of the Amiga OS to run on a x86 box.. The AmigaOS in any flavor isnt the future.  We have the systems but there is little if any commercial software support.  

...but this isnt about the Amiga or any flavor of it.

[stopthegop]

itix wrote:

when it was fun (C=64/128/Amiga/Atari) there was always breakthrough technology or something that came out and stirred up alot of commotion.

Back then we didnt have
- internet
- 1600x1200x32 or better gfx
- flat monitors
- free movies and music
- watch movies
- harddisks
- USB
- 16bit sound
- 2GB RAM
- DVD/CDROM
- broadband
- PCI expansion cards

And maybe something else I cant remember. I dont miss technology from 80s.

Internet??  Wrong! We most certainly did have that in the 1980s!  It was all command line navigation in those days, but it was most definately the start of the "internet" age.  I used to file flight plans when I was a student pilot in ~1986 online using Compuserv with my Atari ST!  We also had prodigy which was soon followed by AOL plus thousands of private BBS systems, and soon the emergence of the "ISPs" in ~early 1989.  

16 bit sound??  Wrong again.  There are several, but one that comes to mind is the Atari TT030 (circa 1988).

Harddisks??  Been around since at least the mid 1980s if not earlier.  PCs had 'em.  Even old Macs - the ones that look like training toilets - had 'em.  

DVD/CDRom??  Correct about DVD.  But CDRoms have been around since, like, 1982?  I remember buying Van Halen "1984" on CD instead of Vinyl!  

[stopthegop]

irishmike wrote:
@sdyates

I looked at AROS, and maybe I am missing something, but isn't it fully an emulator?  Maybe it only runs on Intel based boxes -- (of which I have zero currently)... but it seemed to me that it was an emulation or some such thing like that, so I lost interest very quickly reading their site.

They may indeed however be on the right track, whose to say?

Emulators suck donkey nads.  Its just another (*yawn*) "me-too" wintel box with a nice looking shellac.  I personally wouldn't pay a dime for one.  On second thought, maybe I would buy one...?  I would just pay with emulated money.  

[itix]

Internet?? Wrong! We most certainly did have that in the 1980s! It was all command line navigation in those days, but it was most definately the start of the "internet" age. I used to file flight plans when I was a student pilot in ~1986 online using Compuserv with my Atari ST! We also had prodigy which was soon followed by AOL plus thousands of private BBS systems, and soon the emergence of the "ISPs" in ~early 1989.

I know. But compared to 2006 it was like jurassic era.

16 bit sound?? Wrong again. There are several, but one that comes to mind is the Atari TT030 (circa 1988).

Now, what could you do with it? Not play MP3s at least and folk computers (Amiga 500 and Atar ST) had only 8bit. Sound cards for PC were still expensive.

Harddisks?? Been around since at least the mid 1980s if not earlier. PCs had 'em. Even old Macs - the ones that look like training toilets - had 'em.

Expensive, slow and small but not physically small.

DVD/CDRom?? Correct about DVD. But CDRoms have been around since, like, 1982? I remember buying Van Halen "1984" on CD instead of Vinyl!

Audio CD != CDROM! But there was cdrom drive (with games on cd) even for C64. And CDTV. But nothing like today. Today we can buy cheap DVD+CD combos for few bucks and you can write your own CDs. Or Audio CDs. Few bucks more and you can burn your own home videos.