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Interesting display problem
« on: September 07, 2006, 04:24:20 PM »
My 23-15 pin adapter from Vesalia came in yesterday, so today I hooked it up to my A2000 and my 1950 monitor, and it wouldn't boot. The monitor was doing something, since that annoying high-pitched squeal got lower when I turned the computer on, but was not displaying anything. So I disconnect the monitor from the adapter, reset it, and it boots up fine!!! I am currently running wb1.3. Whats going on here?

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 05:08:49 PM »
Bad adaptor, it should work fine as that monitor syncs down to 15KHz.
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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 05:41:02 PM »
... or bad monitor - some put so much load on the sync lines that Amy tries to sync to the genlock she assumes is attached...

Only remedy is a resistor (value anyone?) in series with the sync line, either inside the adapter or on the mainboard.
 

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 05:52:42 PM »
Thanks for the leads. However, I still don't understand why it causes the computer to not boot up with the monitor plugged in. I hope it's something simple, cause I spent a lot of money on this stuff...
 

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 07:46:59 PM »
Are you into soldering? Then I'll look for and post the info needed.
 

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2006, 05:47:34 AM »
I will try the adapter out on my 1000 I have boxed up before I try anything else. I'm starting to think the power supply in my 2000 is going bad, because ever since I hooked this damn adapter to it, the hard drive hasn't been spinning up all of the way. I still have it hooked to the 2091 power line, so I will use the line directly from the power supply to give it some more juice. When it rains, it pours. (or in my case, poors)
 

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 10:11:12 PM »
VGA needs HSYNC and VSYNC separately, so we need
Amy - VGA
11 - 13 hsync
12 - 14 vsync

A genlock connects to pins 1&2, we don't need it, so nothing should be there at all.

Any electronics inside the adaptor? Then don't try this!

At first I'd try opening the hsync connection before powerup and connect it afterwards. If that doesn't help, try the vsync. After that try closing the line with a ~100 Ohms resistor and see if Amy boots. If that doesn't work, try a larger/smaller one, depending on whether the pic doesn't sync (smaller) or the problem does not go away (larger). You might have to try as high as 10 kOhms or as low as 20 Ohms - as long as you don't short anything, nothing can break.
(What this does is to add an additional, serial resistor to the signal to limit the current and thus limit the voltage drop of the signal on the Amiga side - a rather case specific solution that produces a very special kind of adaptor that might not work in other situations.)

If all this doesn't work (sync is lost, but problem stays), you'd need to add a 74LS14 or similar to amplify the sync signal (also present in C= adapters) - this is the much cleaner solution (mil spec ;-)), but it's much more work.
 

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2006, 05:08:50 PM »
Thanks Zac. I think the adapter not having resistors has something to do with it, but I just got done testing the 1950 on my A1000, and on my main computer again. Nothing. When my main computer starts to post, it sounds like the monitor is getting a signal (the high pitched noise gets quieter) but after a couple of seconds goes right back to displaying nothing. So it looks like the monitor is shot. I hope the place I got it will help me out with this, because they said it worked fine.

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Re: Interesting display problem
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 10:25:58 AM »
Hmm, I was under the impression if you connected the monitor after boot, it was working; I probably got it wrong then. Can't you test the 1950 on a PC?

PS: just looked up the 1950 at BBoAH: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=856 - it seems there are some issues with this monitor, I suggest you take a look at that.

BEWARE: There are high voltages present inside the monitor even if disconnected from mains - don't do this if you don't know how to handle it.