Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.

[KThunder]

mpiva wrote:
  The ironic thing is that he probably would have got the $500 (and possibly more) if he had a lower starting bid (and the $1000 BIN price just scares people away).

see thats the point. if the starting bid was 100 i would have put a bid on it right off. noone is expecting anyone to GIVE anything away but be reasonable. the entire point of auctions is to let the potential buyers set the price. if the buyers arent willing to pay 500 for it then in this auction it is not worth 500. im sick of people bringing personal stuff into auctions and stuff. im sorry that he is sick or whatever but what does that have to do with the auction. i do want a 2000 with an accelerator, but to me and many others it isnt worth 500. look how much interest there is in this thing . this guy would have had a bidding frenzy if the starting bid was lower.

[Olecranon]

by mpiva on 2006/8/24 13:46:44

I also think $500 is a reasonable price for that A2000 system. I'd never spend that kind of money on an A2000 regardless of what's in it but I do think it's on par for what similar items are selling for on eBay. Why should people be expected to GIVE stuff away on eBay? He's obviously trying to reap some benefit from all the money and time he's invested into this system. What's wrong with that? If people are willing to pay what he's asking, then good for him. The problem is, it's unlikely to sell with that starting bid and it's sad to think that such a nice system MAY go in the garbage. The ironic thing is that he probably would have got the $500 (and possibly more) if he had a lower starting bid (and the $1000 BIN price just scares people away).

Dont get me wrong.  I could care less how much people ask for stuff on ebay.  Your absolutely correct in saying that a person should be able to ask whatever he wants for anything.  What befuddles me is the people here (who should know better) saying that its a good price at $500.  Its a good price.... But i wouldn't buy it..  hehe  

[KThunder]

TjLaZer wrote:
WTF is wrong with people, is $500 too much for a loaded Amiga 2000 with Phase 5 68060 card and 64MB of RAM?  I think that is a reasonable price especially if you want a maxed out Amiga 2000!  People should go to StarBucks and smell the coffee. People always want things for free. Well guess what, most of my collection is from ebay and I paid a lot for it and I never whined.   Get over it, nothing is for free.   This is a very sore subject for me so watch out!  lol  (Nickel and diming bids, shows people are cheap and want things for nothing)

what are you talking about "free" noone said anything about free. if you put something on ebay with an unreasonably high starting bid, and lots of people show interest but noone wants to take the plunge this is what you get. nickel and dime bids dont show anything more than that people want to outbid you but if someone bid a big bid on they wont get stuck paying alot more than they really intended. much of my collection is from ebay and on every auction i put the total amount i was willing to pay and if i got outbid oh well. some people dont do that though, thats part of the game.

[TjLaZer]

See expecting him to start the bidding at $100 is pretty much the same as asking for free stuff!  People want a good deal and are not willing to pay what it is worth.  I am sorry if you disagree but this system is worth $500 period.  (if you need a refresher can you say Phase 5 MC68060 CPU card three times?)  True if he started it at $100 the end bid *might* fetch $500 or more, but it could also end at $100 and what a deal that would be for you cheap skates out there huh!?  Well the seller has demonstrated he would like atleast $500 for his nice system.  And would not like to take a chance with it ending at $100.  Again, what is wrong with that?  Nothing, that is a fair amount IMHO.  Now if he had it at a starting bid of $1000 or even $750 that is a different story.

Example:  I recently listed a rare and usually pricy Atari Stacy 4 luggable.  I wanted atleast $300 so I did as this guy did and started my auction at $299 with a BIN of $399.  Yes days went by with no bids, and a day before it ended someone took a bite.  It ended at $330 or so.  Whats wrong with that?

[mpiva]

TjLaZer wrote:
See expecting him to start the bidding at $100 is pretty much the same as asking for free stuff!  People want a good deal and are not willing to pay what it is worth.  I am sorry if you disagree but this system is worth $500 period.  (if you need a refresher can you say Phase 5 MC68060 CPU card three times?)  True if he started it at $100 the end bid *might* fetch $500 or more, but it could also end at $100 and what a deal that would be for you cheap skates out there huh!?

  That's why you set a RESERVE.  If you absolutely won't sell it for less than $500, then start the bidding @ $100, or even $200, and set your reserve for $500.  Then you don't have to worry about selling it for less than you want but you don't scare people away from the get-go.

[spihunter]

@TjLaZer,

Its not a Phase 5 card, its a GVP Tek060.

I agree that the machine may be worth $500. My original post was making fun of the Buy it now price of $1000

I dont think anyone should have sent harrasing emails to the guy, but he should have taken like a grown-up and ignored them.

If you look at the first last question on the auction. The person claims to be Doom master :roll:

[KThunder]

i have seen several 060 boards for 2000's go for around 200 on ebay. that with system going for 80 to 120  makes for a 300 to 350 system maybe 400 with cd burner
noone is sugesting the system is only worth 100 but if you want any bids start it reasonably and yes set a reserve price. thats what the reserve option is for.
i have spent around 800 on amiga stuff over the years and have tried never to rip anyone off so before you start throwing names around consider that. i have also sold stuff on ebay and have had some success at it. you have to consider not only what you need or want but what the market (collectors, users, scavangers) will support. 500 is not unreasonable for that system, but it is tough to get as a starting bid.

[recidivist]

 Thanks for the reminder;I have a Stacey somewhere in my stash.It is just one of several  machines i forgot about having for the "other computer" thread! Also forgot to mention Kaypro 4.

 Has anyone USED a Stacey?

[TjLaZer]

Ah sorry I thought that it was a Phase 5, well that's irrelevant at it is a 060 card and GVP-m cards are VERY reliable and while I am thinking about it would rate that card higher than a Phase 5/DCE for sure!!!!  I own a GVP-m 4060 G-Rex II card and it simply rocks!  I have it overclocked to 66MHz and maxed out to 128MB RAM.  Very good quality boards.  If anyone wants a nice 060 card for their A2000 this would be one to get for sure.

Yes that does look like the great Doom Master indeed.  He also agrees with me it is worth $500.  I also agree with the majority of you that $1000 is way off base and the seller should revise this amount to like $600.

[pierre]

yeah, well great but it not your too sell so what the point?

[pierre]

the seller obviosly has no idea how to sell on ebay or what current prices are, must be a frustrating experience for him..

[LoadWB]

TjLaZer wrote:

I understand your frustration but if you want to buy a Commodore 64 to USE and not "Collect"  please consider buying a nice used one that is cheaper, rather than whine about the high priced Mint in boxed ones!

Actually, I think you missed my frustration.  Read what I said about collecting, and you might get a better picture.  I am not after mint-condition items.  In fact, if this stuff truly is mint -- which in a openned box, it is not -- then it's probably worth its weight in gold.

What I am complaining about is equipment that has been used or abused every day of its life with outrageous asking prices.  I have bunch of C= equipment which I would never think to flog on eBay for some of the prices which I have had to fight over and eventually pass up.

One thing I have noticed, though, is that this type of buying/selling comes in waves.  Sometimes you can't give this stuff away!  I bide my time when it comes to buying Amiga parts, and really any computer parts for that matter.  I have gotten some sweet deals on game carts and computers, but it took time and patience.  I get upitty when I watch the same people bid up cheap stuff to astronomic heights just so they can add it to their collection.  It's a waste, honestly.  Especially since when the old codger croaks his family will just throw the stuff in the bin.

[Olecranon]

Looks like someone took the bite on that A2000 for $500.  I guess some of you guys were right.  It was worth $500 to someone, and I find that troubling.  :crazy:

[Olecranon]

by LoadWB on 2006/8/24 18:49:53

I bide my time when it comes to buying Amiga parts, and really any computer parts for that matter. I have gotten some sweet deals on game carts and computers, but it took time and patience.

I've only bought one Amiga item off ebay so far.  That was a non yellowed A500 w/power supply that I got $12.00.  I look on ebay all the time, but there are too many crazy people who are willing to pay too much.  You can get great deals on non Amiga specific items though.  I just bought a brand new 4GB Fujitsu HD for 11.00 (including shipping), and SCSI CDROMS are dirt cheap too.

I have two nice A2000 systems that I've gotten from private partys.  One with a 50Mhz 030, the other has a 28Mhz 030 card.  Both have 8mb 32bit ram, and both have flicker fixers.  I might have $400 between the two of them once I add up the cost of installing CDROM, and a 4GB 7200 RPM SCSI drives.  

I said I was done, but I know someone selling an A3000 + monitor for $200.  If I buy it, you may be seeing one of my A2000's on ebay very soon!  

[LoadWB]

Roger that.  I admit to having found excellent deals.  I just picked up an NTSC A500+ (rev 8 mobo, been looking for this for a long time) for under $50, and a 600 with 150MB hard drive for $75 (probably a little steep, but other than a flakey floppy -- of which I have spares -- it's in pretty good shape.)  Not bad deals, I think.  Good luck on the 3000 purchase.  I've never touched one, myself, but like the idea of the system.

Olecranon wrote:
Looks like someone took the bite on that A2000 for $500.  I guess some of you guys were right.  It was worth $500 to someone, and I find that troubling.  :crazy:

I've had a couple of A2000 '040 accelerators go for around $200.  I can't remember what I paid for my Blizzard 2060, but it was probably a little over or around the same amount.  So, that would mean that the 2000 itself (in the case of the $500 system) would be selling for $300.  I wouldn't pay that, but to be fair, as someone else stated, it's in really good condition and has a really good '060 card.  If I didn't have so much Amiga equipment already, it might be worth it to me!

Reminds me, I bought my first A500 (rev 5 mobo) with 1.3, no hard drive, and a 4MB BaseBoard for $500 back in 1993.  I bought the Amiga specifically because I wanted Shadow of the Beast, only I didn't get it with the system... and instead I got hooked on Amiga as a computer

[TjLaZer]

@LoadWB, sorry didn't catch what you had said about people selling very used items for high prices, I understand.  Also if I could find a 060 card for my A2000 for $200ish I would snap that up right away but they usually sell for more as you just saw.  Sucks I know but thats the Amiga market for high end parts...  I don't think the seller was being too hostile, and if he is sick (as I am sure he is) I can understand his frustrations.  People have to understand that we all have our problems and to not let things like this get us bent out of shape.   We are all Amigans and should all just get along.

Cheers

 :pint: