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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 02:15:07 AM »
@pierre

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I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.

:-?
You're comparing MorphOS to something you've never seen?!??

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I don't understand how you can still be waiting for something that will not happen.

You've never seen the Mars rovers, so they didn't happen (but, boy, those were some fine photoshops!)

You've never seen the Gulf stream, so it doesn't exist. (Europe stays nice and warm, though)

You've never seen a Mustang SVO, so they were never built. (Hint: look at my avatar)

You've never seen me, so I must not be here. (This must be a bot, then)

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2006, 02:18:27 AM »
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I heard from one Amiga reseller that someone with clout should be making an annoucement soon.


An announcement about what?  Announcements are in abundant supply.  It's actual results that are lacking.  

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 Soon could be 6 months to a year in the Amiga time zone.


Wow, talk about optimism! Actually 'soon' is generally 5 years to never in Amiga circles.

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I understand the hyperion still rates this a significant issue and is continuing work on OS4.0.


They have no choice but to keep working on OS4.  They can't release it, or adapt it to run on existing hardware, because of their stupid licence agreement with Amiga Inc.

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Has anyone heard any quantifiable news on this issue. I have spent months searching and have gotten nowhere!


There is no quantifiable news.  Mai is dead.  Their hardware didn't work properly.  Eyetech lost lots of money on the AmigaOne and is MIA for over a year.  Amiga Inc is nothing but a drawer in Garry Hare's mail box.  There will never be any more AmigaOnes.
 

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2006, 03:59:26 AM »
@benJamin

OS5?

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2006, 04:20:47 AM »
@benjamin

I would rather ask wether Hyperion is really a buisness, or just a hobby with a buisness-licence (in case some money comes in).

The plan to develop OS4 "comercially" as it was born in 2001 was based on lots of false premises, and what ever they do now in terms of "buissness" is, has more to do with limiting damage.

If OS4 would have to pay all it's developers a full wage, the money generated form it's sales would have run out after a week or so, allmost 5 years ago....
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2006, 04:36:14 AM »
o.k.
@syrTran
I have not see an amigaOne in person.  Over the last 6 years I have looked at a pictures and done reseach.... At this point in history I'm not NAIVE enough to think this well actualy happen. Every thing I hear points to the fact that this effort is failing. ( another sad chapter in amiga history... )
The other day I had a chance to see morphOS in action.  It was very nice and at seems that you can actualy buy one if you like. (unlike the amigaONE!) MorphOS is done and has been done for a LONG time. (unlike amigaONE/OS4) I'm not ruling it out but I don't think I'm going to get it either... I don't want to be on PPC... (beside it did not exactly work out for morphOS either...sadly)
If I get any PPC I hope to put it into one of my Classic Amiga boxes, just to trick it all the way out! Because I love my amigas, thats why I'm here in the first place...

@ben
cool I use my classic amigas still also, they are soo cool!  
The platform is however generaly DEAD, they won't make any new ones.  Aside form a small group of developers not much new development is happening, that the definition of a dead hardware platform.  Another example: dreamcast is dead.  I still play mine but sega killed it.  Thats just the way it goes. Sorry.  

It's true I don't realy consider these new(isch) machines to be Amiga, they are hibirds.. something new alltogether, that's why this whole classic thing started!  I feel like the classic machines are more "authentic".  It's O.k. I realy like linux and am knee deep in that now..it will be a long while befor os4 OR morphOS (closed source!a fe developers) will catch up to where linux is today with this very cool "open source" culture, there are 1000 (or more)  developers ACTIVLY making the product better, honestly the open source movement feel more like an extension of the amiga spirt TO ME.  I picked up linux just as amiga was winding down and it was an easy transition.  I can say enough good things about linux.  I think UAE even stated on linux or maybe some old UNIX box.. whats the differnece
sorry long answer I just hink I am being misunderstood here.

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2006, 05:01:46 AM »
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The only reason Hyperion have lasted this long is because they do know how to run a business.


If your goalpost is nothing more than "lasting", knowing how to run a business isn't necessary, just register your trademark and go to sleep for a decade.

2) ???
3) Profit!

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And their 'staff' haven't deserted them, so they're obviously being treated somewhat satisfactorially.


No they haven't deserted, but some are pissed, and while not deserting, have released publically the license they hate, that has prevented anyone save a few from using their work.

I doubt they are getting what you can make at Burgerking part-time though. They only sold ~1000 units, and even at $100 a pop, how many employees can you feed for a decade on that?

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From memory, the only reason they were able to get as far as they did in the first place is because they run from a business point of view, not a developer's one.


I don't think they can be attributed to either model. Both a business and a developer would have made sure they were not put into a situation where they had product they couldn't sell. If it wern't for the license scheme, OS4 could be sold today, on existing hardware.

I think of the way Hyperion/Amiga Inc/Eyetech did things more as a "good ole boy" network in some small backwater southern town, where the head of the school board sells his personal property to the school district, and the bus fleet has to use gas from the school board presidents sons gas station.
(Oh my, sounds like LILLINGTON NC, mercy me!)

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And finally, how many non-laptop portable computers run on x86 architecture?


How many non-laptop portable computers does AOS4 run on?

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Who cares if the PPC has lost in the desktop/server market?


Nobody, as most people who do care are IN the desktop market. Obviously those with no need for PPC won't care about it's demise.

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This is not the sector of the industry consumerism is tending toward.


Correct. the consumers are buying Laptops.  :lol:
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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2006, 05:32:08 AM »
As usual, most of my comments should be tasted with a pinch of salt and a dash of pepper, but...

@redrumloa
You'd suppose that OS4 was going to be the money-spinner?  :roll:

@Kronos
The damage has been done, but I would like to hope that their continued efforts come to something, rather than naught (like most of AIncs other cross-licensing schemes).

@pierre
Though, people are still eeking out part of their living by helping us ensure that our machines stay functioning, whether it be providing services, repairs, or parts.  The couple of cents here and there are still a money flow.  There are still commercial entities who rely upon these small-time folk, who probably make most of their money on other products outside the scope of 'Amiga', to keep some of their services running.

It is unfortunate, however, that by-and-large, these few remaining customers are converting to PCs, as the AOne fell through, they're sick of waiting, and Pegasos and the like are considered a 'why would we bother, we only kept the other machines 'cause they do their jobs and hardly ever fail?'.  (Supposedly, the FDD's are the most failure-prone part of the system).

Using + upkeeping + developing = living (though life-support is becoming expensive).

@T Bone
Suppose the size of the pond between Deutschland and America is wide and tretcherous.  I don't think it was merely balls that got them screwed to the wall where they are now, but it's definitely more than just balls that help them work there, sweating and aching and striving for release.

The question was not AOS4, it was any OS (proprietary or otherwise).  And I'm not talking about Palms or such, I'm considering the most prolific electronic devices on the planet.  Maybe AROS won't do much different than Simbian on a Nokia, but I'd sure-as-hell like to give it a whirl!


To those people who made efforts and have seen them stifled by the way of the contracts, I feel very concerned for the situation.  I long for the day I can enjoy the fruits of such labour on every device I own, with or without emulation, including the toaster and fridge.


I try not to come across as naive, but sometimes the best way to get a message through is to coat it in cotton buds and bubble wrap so that it doesn't hurt so much when it's bounced back at you.


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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2006, 06:13:27 AM »
@ all

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We've heard it all before.
 

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2006, 10:54:06 AM »
The horse isnt dead...

...he's just resting until next time.
 

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2006, 12:22:39 PM »
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I heard from one Amiga reseller that someone with clout should be making an annoucement soon. Soon could be 6 months to a year in the Amiga time zone.Thanks,
Simon


Nice wind-up. I particuarly liked the subject line.   :lol:
 

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2006, 12:32:37 PM »
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coldfish wrote:
The horse isnt dead...

...he's just resting until next time.


Monty Python actually wrote a sketch about this... Michael Palin plays a deluded Amigan...

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Dead AmigaOS Sketch



The cast:

     MR. PRALINE
          John Cleese
     SHOP OWNER
          Michael Palin



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The sketch:

     A customer enters a Computer shop.

     Mr. Praline: 'Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

     (The owner does not respond.)

     Mr. Praline: 'Ello, Miss?

     Owner: What do you mean "miss"?

     Mr. Praline: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

     Owner: We're closin' for lunch.

     Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this AmigaOS what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

     Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the AmigaONE and AmigaOS4...What's,uh...What's wrong with it?

     Mr. Praline: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

     Owner: No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

     Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead AmigaOS when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

     Owner: No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable platform, the AmigaONE and AmigaOS4, idn'it, ay? Beautiful architecture!

     Mr. Praline: The architecture don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

     Owner: Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!

     Mr. Praline: All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister AmigaOS! I've got a lovely fresh G3 for you if you
     show...

     (owner hits the cage)

     Owner: There, he moved!

     Mr. Praline: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the cage!

     Owner: I never!!

     Mr. Praline: Yes, you did!

     Owner: I never, never did anything...

     Mr. Praline: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO AmigaOS!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

     (Takes AmigaOS out of the cage and thumps its head on the counter. Throws it up in the air and watches it plummet to the floor.)

     Mr. Praline: Now that's what I call a dead AmigaOS.

     Owner: No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!

     Mr. Praline: STUNNED?!?

     Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! AmigaONE and AmigaOS4s stun easily, major.

     Mr. Praline: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That AmigaOS is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not 'alf an hour
     ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged development phase.

     Owner: Well, he's...he's, ah...probably pining for Commodore.

     Mr. Praline: PININ' for Commodore?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?, look, why did he fall flat on his back the moment I got 'im home?

     Owner: The AmigaONE and AmigaOS4 prefers keepin' on it's back! Remarkable platform, id'nit, squire? Lovely architecture!

     Mr. Praline: Look, I took the liberty of examining that AmigaOS when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the
     first place was that it had been NAILED there.

     (pause)

     Owner: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that platform down, it would have nuzzled up to those PC's, bent 'em apart with its advanced multimedia capibility,

and
     VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

     Mr. Praline: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this platform wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!

     Owner: No no! 'E's pining!

     Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This AmigaOS is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
     rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the desk 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the
     bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-AmigaOS!!

     (pause)

     Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh,
     we're right out of AmigaOSs.

     Mr. Praline: I see. I see, I get the picture.

     Owner: I got a Mac.

     (pause)

     Mr. Praline: Pray, does it talk?

     Owner: Nnnnot really.

     Mr. Praline: WELL IT'S HARDLY A BLOODY REPLACEMENT, IS IT?!!???!!?

     Owner: N-no, I guess not. (gets ashamed, looks at his feet)

     Mr. Praline: Well.

     (pause)

     Owner: (quietly) D'you.... d'you want to come back to my place?

     Mr. Praline: (looks around) Yeah, all right, sure.



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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2006, 12:49:43 PM »
@pierre
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don't be silly, there is no OS4.0, I don't think there will ever be such a thing. Authentic? why becasue it has Amiga in is name? It a joke dude, it does not exist!


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sure they are both cool. I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler. There is no successor the amiga line, the amiga line is DEAD.


First you claim OS4 does not exist, which is nonsense, you then say they are both cool so admit OS4 exists. :crazy:

Also, how can you claim Morph OS looks cooler if you've never seen OS4? :crazy:

If the Amiga is 'dead' why are you here wasting your time 'discussing' it whether OS4 or Morph OS is better?  :horse:
 

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2006, 02:46:41 PM »
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sure they are both cool.  I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.    


Wait what?  Are you retarded or something?
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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2006, 02:47:11 PM »
We need OS4 maybe you should be posting in the Peg or MOS forums if thats where your standing is.

Us developers are working hard to make the Amiga and OS4 a great system and there will be some great software on the system when available.

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2006, 03:20:37 PM »
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We need OS4 maybe you should be posting in the Peg or MOS forums if thats where your standing is.

amiga.org has freedom of thought and speech. As long as Posting Guidelines are followed you're allowed to say whatever you want.

If someone is not too happy about OS4, let him/her. If someone posts obviously incorrect/false things, correct him/her (in polite manner, if only possible).

Amiga.org covers all amiga related things (including AROS, Amithlon, UAE, MorphOS and Pegasos, and often even others aswell).

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Re: AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 16, 2006, 03:37:46 PM »
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sure they are both cool.  I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.
I have a peg and I have seen OS4 running on an AmigaOne. I have used an Amithlon. I have played around with AROS and, of course I use WinUAE regularly.

they are all various flavors of the AmigaOS we all love.

OS4 is 99.99999% "finished". I've seen it at amiga meetings and the improvements over the years have just made it faster and more stable. It's basically finished in everything but name and that is only because of the lack-of-hardware situation.
And OS4 continues to be developed. you can't blame the lack of HW on the software developers (and betatesters) who have worked very hard on OS4. That's two different sets of people.
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