AmigaOne boards - I hear rumblings, can anyone confirm

[sdyates]

I heard from one Amiga reseller that someone with clout should be making an annoucement soon. Soon could be 6 months to a year in the Amiga time zone.

I understand the hyperion still rates this a significant issue and is continuing work on OS4.0.

Has anyone heard any quantifiable news on this issue. I have spent months searching and have gotten nowhere!

Thanks,
Simon

[dillinger]

you mean the never ending rumblings about the Elbox SharkPPC, ACK's PowerVixxen, the Amy05, TheEfrika (or whatever it's called) or the new production runs of AmigaONEs?? Which "rumblings" in particular do you mean? There have been so many over the years that I've lost count.

And more to the point, who really cares.If these companies are able and want to release the hardware, they simply will in their own time. And when they are ready to release something they will not announce it via some obscure word-of-mouth "rumbling" tactic, you can be sure of that. I guess this latest rumbling is yet more wishful thinking from the dudes at amigaworld.com.

btw, Pegasos/MorphOS systems are actually available right now to buy. So who needs AOS4.  :-D http://morphosppc.com/

[magnetic]

Sdyates

Do yourself a favour man and Get a Peg2 with morphos. Its more compatible, had more programs, more users, and more fun that OS4 Atm. And the hw is great, you can run latest linux kernels and run MacOSX Tiger!

magentic

[xeron]

magnetic wrote:
Its more compatible,

Theres really not that much in it, if you're talking 68k apps. OS4 isn't as "incompatible" as certain people seem keen to point out.

had more programs,

OS4Depot has over 1000 files, and grows daily. OS4 has its fair share of developers.

more users,

There is absolutely no proof of that. How many people bought a Peg for MOS compared to A1 sales? Who can really say with certainty?

and more fun that OS4 Atm.

Purely subjective. OS4 provides me with a fantastic Amiga experience, and I use it every day.

[Tempest]

Hi Sdyates,

Like the others said, if you want to run a nextgen Amiga OS 'now' just get yourself a Pegasos II board, the hardware is bugfree and available. Besides MorphOS you have a great choice of different Linux distro's and you can even run MacOSX if you want. You won't regret it, MorphOS is very Amiga like and it's very compatible.

Look on the following sites for more info:

MorphZone
Pegasos-Forum (German)
Pegasos.org
Ambient Open Source Team
MorphOS News

~tempest

[Tempest]

Hi xeron,

I don't want to start a flamewar but:

xeron wrote:

magnetic wrote:
Its more compatible,

Theres really not that much in it, if you're talking 68k apps. OS4 isn't as "incompatible" as certain people seem keen to point out.

I visit AWN regular because I'm also interested in the development of OS4, it's a nice OS. Sometimes I read about classic Amiga software not working on OS4 out of the box. Strangly the same software just works on MorphOS. And in future it's gone be worse with the planned memory protection for OS4 more classic software will fail to run on OS4.

had more programs,

OS4Depot has over 1000 files, and grows daily. OS4 has its fair share of developers.
[/quote]

There is also much source code listed on OS4Depot and much of the software are just recompiled linux/sdl games and utils. MOS has that too, but there's also lot's of MOS native software available.

more users,

There is absolutely no proof of that. How many people bought a Peg for MOS compared to A1 sales? Who can really say with certainty?
[/quote]

For one thing, MorphOS is also available for classic Amiga users who are fortunate enough to have hardware which is supported. And don't forget, hardware to run MorphOS is available now, the MOS community is slowly growing. That can't be said about the OS4 community, there's no hardware available.

and more fun that OS4 Atm.

Purely subjective. OS4 provides me with a fantastic Amiga experience, and I use it every day.[/quote]
[/quote]

And that's just great, enjoy your choice! I enjoy my choice because it gives me that Amiga experience I want.

~tempest

[number6]

@sdyates

Re:AmigaOne boards
A small consignment was announced by Amont-Informatique that would be going out to AmigaOne dealers.
Some with CPU, some contingent on ACKcontrols CPU replacements/upgrades.
As an example, Softhut was contacted and it was reported they would only be getting 2 boards, with
a pre-existing waiting list for 40.

Re:New Amiga Hardware
Please see the links in this "news" article concerning new Amiga hardware scheduled for BB4 and Amiwest:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46625

#6

[Gojirax]

I'm just chiming in on the "Amiga" side here because it appears there is a lack of that perspective except for Tempest.

I don't have MorphOS or an A1 or Peg2 etc. I just run AOS 3.9 and will wait for Amiga OS4 because to me it seems more authentic. (Purely a subjective view I know.)

I'll patiently wait for word on the OS4 front.

[pierre]

don't be silly, there is no OS4.0, I don't think there will ever be such a thing.  Authentic?  why becasue it has Amiga in is name?  It a joke dude, it does not exist!  MorphOS is cool the next logical step for the amiga...VERY amiga authentic.  I actualy like Amithlon becaus it runs in intel/AMD rather than PPC.  Anything PPC has no future, not even in a mac.  There are lot of REAL amiga ppl involved in the morphOS project it plenty authentic,( at actualy exists NOT VAPORWARE!) maybe hyperion is even more authentic bacause they have NO idea how to run a bussines and generaly are unimpressive.  Nobody is as authentic as amiga.org.... and nobody sucks harder.   Rembember the amiga was cool inspit of commodore NOT bcasue of commodore.....
OS 4.0 hahaha right, BTW I have a bride in brooklin that you maybe interested in... real cheep...
 

[Matt_H]

@ pierre

Can we stop the "No, only MOS/OS4 is the True Successor to the Amiga!", please? They're both damn good OSes.

[benJamin]

The only reason Hyperion have lasted this long is because they do know how to run a business.  And their 'staff' haven't deserted them, so they're obviously being treated somewhat satisfactorially.

From memory, the only reason they were able to get as far as they did in the first place is because they run from a business point of view, not a developer's one.

OS4 is not vapourware, I've seen it running, something which I can't speak of for MorphOS.  This makes me consider OS4 to be more well-known; it may be that it is more readily adopted  upon release of OS5 (zealotry will get you everywhere).

And finally, how many non-laptop portable computers run on x86 architecture?  Compare how many run on a RISC-based architecture.  Who cares if the PPC has lost in the desktop/server market?  This is not the sector of the industry consumerism is tending toward.


benJamin

Leela: "Soon enough."
Fry:   "But, that's not soon enough!"

[pierre]

sure they are both cool.  I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.   There is no successor the amiga line, the amiga line is DEAD. Linux/BDS (osx is BSD) was the only place for serious users to go if you don;t want to use microsoft crap.  Seriously if hyperion was going to release os 4.0 97/98 would have been the time! I don't understand how you can still be waiting for something that will not happen.  When and if hyperion show me that they are serious I will consider this os4.0 you are speaking of...    UNTIL THEN OS 3.1!  

[pierre]

sure ben... hyperion has run a fantastic business... they are why we are here.(not!)  You have not seen morph OS, you sould check it out....ITS NOT AN AMIGA and neither is that amigaONE/WB4.0...thing, which I WOULD like to see in action.   I don't recall anybody that worked for hyperion having much good to say about them? And boy we have come such a far way in the last 15 years, wow impressive....

[benJamin]

Who said anything about what was(n't) an Amiga?  I don't class my MSI motherboard as an Amiga, but it still runs AROS and AmigaOS3.1, so I still get to use my Amiga-centric programs in an Amiga-centric enviroment.  Sure, it's not quite as nice as the real thing, but my real machines are on sabatical until I move to the next house, except one which I'm leeching all the files off to do some nostalgia releasing.

And, honestly, if you don't think OS4/MorphOS/AROS are Amiga, then you are not considering the identifying quantity of such a title: the user that operates them.

Amithlon is an Amiga, because the user is an Amigan and the software utilises the hardware through a familiar set of libaries and a logical, easy-to-identify with file structure which does not obfuscate important infrastructure.  If you don't like the 'Format' dialogue, just replace it.  The 'Info' window not providing enough interoperability?  There are many replacements.  Everything can be changed to suit the intended application by supplementing the original components in a system-friendly manner.

These things, combined with religious zealotry, are what makes an Amiga what it is.  The (re)actions of a lot of people on this site only prove that ALL of the machines which claim to be successors to the Amiga are Amigas themselves.

Finally, the 'Classic' Amiga line is not dead.  I still use it, as do many others; there are any number of hobbiest projects attempting to replicate and/or propagate the humble design of those ex-Atari geniuses we constantly seem to forget.

benJamin

"Objection!  Badgering the witness!"

[SyrTran]

@pierre

I have never seen os4.0 and to me morphOS looks cooler.

:-?
You're comparing MorphOS to something you've never seen?!??

I don't understand how you can still be waiting for something that will not happen.

You've never seen the Mars rovers, so they didn't happen (but, boy, those were some fine photoshops!)

You've never seen the Gulf stream, so it doesn't exist. (Europe stays nice and warm, though)

You've never seen a Mustang SVO, so they were never built. (Hint: look at my avatar)

You've never seen me, so I must not be here. (This must be a bot, then)

Oh, excuse me, the magic fairies inside my A1 that run it and connect it to the internet are fighting again, so I have to go.  Now, where did I put that miniature whip...