25 Greatest PCs of all time - Yes, Amiga made the list!

[rockape]

Hi,

Unfortunately this is how History is re-written.

eg: "Quote And the four-voice stereo sound chip (Paula) provided speech synthesis"

thats very wrong, tis Four Channel Stereo not Four Voice

Regards, Michael

aka rockape

[bloodline]

The C64 wasn't a revolution... it was an evolution of what came before it.

The Apple Mac, was a revolution in OS design.
The Amiga was an evolution of the Mac's OS (adding features like Multitasking and colour Gfx etc), but it was a revolution in Hardware... True some of the meachines listed didn't really fill this properly... but credit where credit is due!

[cecilia]

I'm shocked they listed the A1000 is as High up as number 7!

even though it should be higher up.

I know that there's were tons of people like me who were completely uninterested in computers because they didn't do anything interesting or creative. It was ONLY after I saw the Amiga that I realized a computer could be used to make ART. It could be used as a Tool to access the parts of human beings that make us unique and special.

if THAT isn't a F%cking REVOLUTIONARY idea, I'll eat my shoes. And, I don't eat shoes.
The Amiga showed the world that a computer is more than hardware. (And, believe me, I saw my friend's Apple at the time and I was Not impressed)

[mrescher]

And yes get the damn think pad out of there! WTF!!!

Hey hey! The thinkpad is actually a pretty good machine. solid construction, best keyboard you can get on a laptop etc.

The only other laptop brand I'd consider is Apple, but their hardware isn't what it used to be and it was never as good as the IBM.  Or toshiba at a pinch.

Mine's definitely not the flashest model, never was, but it's lightweight and dependable. only machine that's lasted longer is my A500!

[adonay]

And why of all amigas the crappyest one seriously dont understand that if pick a model why not the 500 if the erliest ones the 1000 is beyond me to understand..

Anyways thats only my opinion..

[bloodline]

mrescher wrote:

And yes get the damn think pad out of there! WTF!!!

Hey hey! The thinkpad is actually a pretty good machine. solid construction, best keyboard you can get on a laptop etc.

You consider a "pretty good machine" with a great keyboard revolutionary?

The only other laptop brand I'd consider is Apple, but their hardware isn't what it used to be and it was never as good as the IBM.  Or toshiba at a pinch.

How is Apple's hardware not what it used to be? How is it not as good as IBM or Toshiba?

Mine's definitely not the flashest model, never was, but it's lightweight and dependable. only machine that's lasted longer is my A500!

Urg...!

[redrumloa]

You guys nailed my complaint perectly. How could a list of the "25 Greates PCs of all time" not include the Commodore 64? That is sad! :angry:

[maffoo]

adonay wrote:
And why of all amigas the crappyest one seriously dont understand that if pick a model why not the 500 if the erliest ones the 1000 is beyond me to understand..

Probably because it was the first Amiga. The A1000 was revolutionary, the A500 with its lower price just made it accessible to the masses.

[swift240]

Expets eh! what a load of rubbish, I have known experts to be wrong on many occastion.
And yes where is the C64?

If a load of other so called "experts" were called in it would be diferent.

There so called "experts" did they ask me or any of you? for an opinion?  No they did not, so who did they ask?
A hand full? a few more? a couple of hundred? a couple of thousand?
I say its all b****** we all know the C64 should be there (not because I am a fan of the C64) but simply because the C64 is that good.
A few peoples opinions dont make it true or fact, it simply makes it on the day and no other.

So all these experts can go back to there place of greatness and we will wait for them to bestow upon us humble no nothings there next set of opinions and judgements.

And we will all be so gratefull.  And totaly belive in all the say and write.

Mike.   :pissed:  :pissed:  :pissed:

[cecilia]

adonay wrote:
And why of all amigas the crappyest one seriously dont understand that if pick a model why not the 500 if the erliest ones the 1000 is beyond me to understand..

you must not have had your hands on an Amiga1000. I have. It was a transcendent experience.

[Hyperspeed]

I feel a tad left out when people talk of the Commodore 64. I had a Sinclair ZX Spectrum +2 128k and found it quite unreliable (maybe the tape head was wonky), but I did love it.

Wasn't the Spectrum more popular than the C=64 in the UK?

I remember being amazed at a friend's C=64 in that it had a keyboard and a cartridge slot just like my Master System. It could also use tapes and disks.

When it comes to 'revolution' though, doesn't this imply the masses? The A500 would have started the momento in the Amiga revolution but the A1000 was 'pioneering'. I don't personally like the idea of 256k RAM and loading Kickstart off floppies but if I had an A1000 in '85 I would have been a happy child.

:-D

[Homer]

Hic :pint: Hic !

[jdiffend]

Just another useless list.  Every forum out there has a link to it and everyone is hammering it.
The number of DOS/Windows machines was absurd.


The Apple II was a hack (see the video display hardware if you doubt it) and survived on marketing and being one of the first color machines for the "hobbyist".  It was also one of the first to push disk drives.  Does it deserve a #1?  It wouldn't have even existed if it weren't for the Altair WOZ saw at a users group meeting and personal computers might not have arrived for several years.

Missing computers?

Missing the C64 was pretty stupid.  Lets face it.  The C64 drove the price war that devestated the home PC video game market from '83 to '85 and killed the growing number of 8 bit vendors.

The Tandy Color Computer was the first home PC with a real pre-emptive multi-tasking OS... OS-9.  Not to be confused with Mac OS9.  It was a Unix like OS for an 8 bit when CP/M was thought of as powerful.  Yes, it beat the Amiga by a few years.

The Spectrum which was a big hit in the UK/Europe and almost created the low cost market.  The ZX80/ZX81 were first but didn't last long.  
Commodore actually created the C116/264/Plus 4 just to compete with the low cost Spectrum... at least until management raised the price from $49 for the 116 to $79 for the 264 and finally to $299 for the "business" Plus 4 which turned a likely hit into a flop.

The Acorn RISC systems brought RISC to the desktop for the first time and the CPU created for it is the grand parent of the most popular embedded CPU out there.

The Oric and BBC Micro at least deserve an honerable mention.  I though BBC Micro was the school computer in the UK.

Um... pocket PC's?  Anyone remember those?  The author didn't.  They were the predicessor of the palm computers and the Newton didn't even get a mention either.


And as for giving credit where credit is due, the one thing that made the home computer market possible more than any other... the introduction of the 6502 CPU.  Prior to it other CPU's were hundreds of dollars.  By the end of the computer show it was introduced at every other CPU manufacturer had dropped their prices and a home computer cheaper than a car was possible.

[Matt_H]

Um... pocket PC's? Anyone remember those? The author didn't. They were the predicessor of the palm computers and the Newton didn't even get a mention either.

Unfortunate that things like this aren't made any more. I saw a 'real' pocket PC in a store in Canada in 1997. Low-end Pentium, 16MB of RAM, Win95, and a full keyboard (can't remember if it had a numeric pad... probably not). Wouldn't win any awards for technical specifications, but it was smaller than a DVD case.

PocketPCs now are significantly smaller, but they can't run the same programs as your desktop machine!

[jdiffend]

Matt_H wrote:

Um... pocket PC's? Anyone remember those? The author didn't. They were the predicessor of the palm computers and the Newton didn't even get a mention either.

Unfortunate that things like this aren't made any more. I saw a 'real' pocket PC in a store in Canada in 1997.

[/quote]
:roll:  PC as in Personal Computer, not IBM PC.  Man I used to hate that when I worked in a computer store.  Somehow the IBM was suddenly a "PC" and nothing else was even though the term had been around for over a decade.

I'm talking the little handheld PC's from the 80s that Radio Shack and a few others had.  Way before what you are talking about.  They were programmable in BASIC or assembly and were about the size of a checkbook.

[Hyperspeed]

What... like the Atari Portfolio in Terminator 2?

:-D