amigaone cpu ??

[dammy]

Funny, I don't see AROS crew complaining about the Endian issue.

Dammy

[The_Editor]

NOTHING is uncrackable?

How about TCPA !!

And why would anyone bother cracking OS4 when its such a minuscule market (ATM) ?

And why would anyone bother cracking OS4 when its such a minuscule market (ATM) ?

So they can run it on a Pegasos or a Mac maybe? :-D

As for TCPA, yes, it's crackable, it'll just take forever and a day! ;-)

[mdwh2]

dammy wrote:
Funny, I don't see AROS crew complaining about the Endian issue.

AROS isn't backward compatible with 68k Amiga software.

A better comparison would be Amithlon: on the one hand, afaik it is something that creates difficulties for it, although otoh, it shows that it is possible to get around them.

AROS isn't backward compatible with 68k Amiga software

If I remember rightly,  if AROS is running native on a 68k CPU, then it will run system friendly 68k Amiga software.

[KennyR]

Let me put some personal perspective on this.

I run my Amiga software now with a PPC G3 at 600MHz. Yes, it's a Pegasos. The whole setup cost me less than a modern middle-end PC - including custom tower and cordless keyboard and mouse. It isn't slow, not by any stretch of the imagination.

It takes 10 seconds to boot. IBrowse loads in a flash - literally. I can go from being powered off to browsing Amiga.org in less than 13 seconds. Absolutely everything I run on it flies - and that's without JIT. It is literally quieter than a whisper: the only fan is in the PSU. My AGP 3D card is fast even by modern standards and also needs no fan.

I have a UDMA hard drive that can load 38MB/s, 512MB of very fast RAM, and 64MB of DDR graphics RAM. I get 16bit 48KHz sound with no noticable performance hit. Needless to say this is total overkill: no Amiga apps in existence need anywhere near this spec. It eats Heretic 2 alive in framerate - and that's just in software mode. I can view PDF files faster than a 2GHz PC can. Every app I click on is loaded almost the moment I let go of the mouse button. It is truly the fastest feeling machine I have ever used, and I've used a lot.

AmigaONE owners need not feel left out. The A1XE spec is even faster, once they get a real OS to run, and not just Linux (which makes everything feel slow).

And best of all, I get to know that I have something different, something that's not just another bog-standard PC. And I love it.

Who the hell needs x86?

[Hammer]

I run my Amiga software now with a PPC G3 at 600MHz. Yes, it's a Pegasos. The whole setup cost me less than a modern middle-end PC -

“Define middle end PC”...

A $299 USD (~$550 AUD) Pegy package** (via Phoenix membership (I recall))  would easily get you an Athlon XP 2600+ and Leadtek nForce 2.

The same $299 USD (~$550 AUD) would easily get you an Intel Pentium 4@ 2.4Ghz (~$350 AUD) and ASUS P4S333-C DDR (~$145 AUD). Intel is not the only CPU and chipset vendor in the  X86 market.

Cheaper prices (while roughly holding performance levels) can be obtained via the use of SIS based chipsets and AMD processors.

**Assuming it's just a motherboard and CPU package.

When given similar keyboard, mouse, ATX case, FDD, HDD, CD-R(W)/DVD-R(W), Video card and sound card; they should be similar for both platforms.  

Who the hell needs x86?

Playing 2003 era leisure titles…

[Hammer]

It takes 10 seconds to boot. IBrowse loads in a flash - literally. I can go from being powered off to browsing Amiga.org in less than 13 seconds

One could do same thing on Windows 3.11** and Opera on Pentium 4 2.0Ghz (PC2100 DDR SDRAM/7200RPM HD) box.  

**Windows 98 Lite (minus IE shell and useless other things) could be use.

[iamaboringperson]

dont forget the backwards compatability with big-endian based data structures
all the old amigaos software had to access structures direct, in big-endian format, so this would need to be byte swapped in any emulation - WAAaaaaaaaaay too messy
i wouldnt like amigaos to be on the x86

it wouldnt make it any more popular anyway

[dammy]

Funny, it wasn't too messy for Amithlon.  If and when someone adds in seamless emulation into AROS, I think you would be greatly suprised on how fast it still can be for the end user.   Although I'm not too sure why plain old UAE isn't good enough to begin with for any OS.

Dammy

[iamaboringperson]

dammy wrote:
Funny, it wasn't too messy for Amithlon.  If and when someone adds in seamless emulation into AROS, I think you would be greatly suprised on how fast it still can be for the end user.   Although I'm not too sure why plain old UAE isn't good enough to begin with for any OS.

Dammy

you forget about the fact that 68k apps and ppc apps are ment to run together like on older ppc powered amigas
users want some of the same apps

[Hammer]

dammy wrote:
Funny, it wasn't too messy for Amithlon.

Some people may not like the saga that surrounds Amithlon…

 If and when someone adds in seamless emulation into AROS, I think you would be greatly suprised on how fast it still can be for the end user.

That would be nice...

  Although I'm not too sure why plain old UAE isn't good enough to begin with for any OS.

It’s not a stand-alone solution.    

[KennyR]

"Define middle end PC"...

A middle-end PC: about the spec you'd get for 1000 UKP. My (over-extravagant) Pegasos setup cost me £700, all in (minus monitor). Any PC beneath the 1000UKP mark is pretty much useless: it's obsolete far too fast. You'd be lucky to play the new games at the time, never mind in six months. Old PCs are useful for Linux and for office stuff, not for games. I've been through this twice before and have two PCs that will either not work at all with modern games or will struggle badly. I have to daily watch XP utterly crawl on a 1.3GHz Athlon with a "measly" 128MB.

Quote:

Who the hell needs x86?

Playing 2003 era leisure titles.

Of which there are none on the Amiga, and not just because its hardware is too old. If one wants to play PC games, one should get a PC and run Windows on it - and should shut up and just put up with whatever sh*t Windows throws at one with clenched teeth. (*shudder*)

[KennyR]

It takes 10 seconds to boot. IBrowse loads in a flash - literally. I can go from being powered off to browsing Amiga.org in less than 13 seconds

One could do same thing on Windows 3.11** and Opera on Pentium 4 2.0Ghz (PC2100 DDR SDRAM/7200RPM HD) box.

Sounds masochistic. :-o I've seen Windows3.11 chew up busmaster DMA as if it was PIO0. Windows for Workgroups was horribly bloated at the time, far more bloated than MorphOS is now, even without taking the year into account. In short, I think 10 seconds is wildly optimistic.

a good PC in america can be gotten for far below 1000USD let alone UKP ... for example one of my systems..

P4 2.4/533FSB
1.5GB DDR
2x 80GB IBM drives
drive sleds/caddys
CDRW 32X
Asus motherboard
GeForce4 Ti4400

I could build it now for less then 1000 easily...and it'll play most all modern games just fine and its a very good system.... I cant see how I'd be able to build any PPC based system of comparable specs to that for that price...not that I'm as against PPC as I was at one time... but there is no need to gloss it over... PPC's price/performance ratio isnt there... not at all... I'm hoping PPC970 changes this...

something like Pegasos I think derives its value in the future from the fact that it can do alot with little...not a little with alot... a PPC970 might be a waste putting into a Peggy right now anyway...since the OS will fly on a G3 600mhz... I think thats where its value comes in... bieng able to use a relatively cheap processor (or cheap someday?!?!?) and do alot... I think peggy might make a nice game console or something someday because of this..

[olegil]

@KennyR:

Of course, if AmigaOS (or even Morphos) would be ported to a 2GHz x86 successfully, that would be even faster. But I think the point you're trying to get across is that your 600MHz G3 is fast _enough_, which rarely happens on my 2.2GHz P4 (Debian). For some odd reason it doesn't happen on my 666MHz G3 (Debian) either, but that's Linux for you, yes. X is a bad beast...