Is Amiga (the company) dead?

[pierre]

they had to do this as they where being sued, it the same company. don't get to confused it's not worth it. Same company moving around....

[bloodline]

pierre wrote:

but they DO own the rights to the OS, they licence/share them with hyperion, at least for 3.5 3.9 and 4.0 thanks all I know and it may be wrong?

As I've said before and has just been posted, One cannot be certain Escom ever got AmigaOS from the Commodore liquidators... as such AmigaOS is most likely legaly stuck in abandonware limbo (not public domain), if it really mattered to anyone... but since AmigaOS is of no value, I doubt anyone cares.

[pierre]

there is only one amiga inc.  it was started by gateway and was cut loose at some point (became privatly held).  After that I may have changed owernership of managment but it the same company with the same assets!  Yes they reregisterd the company in a differnt state with differnt managment, so what?
I suggest you try to sell the amigaOS and see who sues you, that will lead you the owner... who said the OS has no value? what? Please correct me if I am wrong but there is no need to make this more confussing than it already is.
My main point is there CAN'T be two companys called amiga inc at the same time, just like you can't start another "blockbuster" or "sony".
im done
bye

[BerndW]

they had to do this as they where being sued, it the same company. don't get to confused it's not worth it. Same company moving around....

So, you are saying it is one company for the purpose of representing what is left of the Amiga IP, but it is two conveniently different companies when it comes to being sued? That would be a bit too easy, wouldn't it? If A and B are not the same in front of a court, then it also means that they need to find a way to move the good things out of A and into B. As the new trademark filings done by the new company appear to indicate, they have not find such a way.

there is only one amiga inc.  it was started by gateway and was cut loose at some point (became privatly held).  After that I may have changed owernership of managment but it the same company with the same assets! ... My main point is there CAN'T be two companys called amiga inc at the same time, just like you can't start another "blockbuster" or "sony".

I do not understand your insistence. I (and others) provided links indicating that this is not so. In the USA you can have one company with the same name in each different state. There are 50 states. Washington is one state. Delaware is another state.

[Syperhawk]

You said it!

Amiga Inc.  Dont care about US! its the Amiga users like you & i that make what Amiga is today


like Hyperion & ACK

Keep up the good work guys


SyperHawk

[Minuous]

The world's best operating system "is of no value"? Nonsense.

I certainly agree that Amiga Inc., since Petro left, has been nothing but a thorn in the side of the Amiga community. In particular Ray Akey and Gary Peake have gone out of their way to try to make trouble for various Amiga sites. And of course have contributed nothing to anyone.

I have little more regard for Eyetech, they have produced a tiny number of buggy, overpriced, underpowered AmigaOnes and then refused to make any more of them.

So we have the current situation where no matter how much enthusiasm there is for the Amiga it is not possible to expand the userbase, thus the Amiga seems surely doomed.

Which lamer made the decision to only let OS4 run on these machines that can't be bought? Oh, Amiga Inc. of course.

If OS4 can't be ported to an OPEN PPC architecture I'm not sure what the solution is. I think it is vital to get PearPC to emulate the AmigaOne, this is the only feasible option at the present time for growing the OS4 userbase. Just as UAE seems the only feasible option for growing the OS3.9 userbase.

[Kronos]

@pierre

Seems your confused bout the timeline.

It's not certain wether C= still had full ownership of OS3.1 at the time it went belly-up (villagetronic was producing/selling upgrade-kits, MocroSystem's Draco and maybe even more).

It's not certain wether the (partial) ownership was transfered to Escom.

Whatever Escom actually owned was than transfered to GateWay. Assuming the the VisCorp-interlude didn't muddy the water even  more.

It's also not clear what Amino really bought from GateWay, what was just licenced and more importantly whats been either left out or never fully paid.

And then there is H&P having partial ownership on 3.5/9 and Cloanto what seems to be an exclusive licence to ROM-images.

All of that would be a total mess if it ever got to court. Which is offcourse highly unlikely with AOS being pretty much wortless these days.

[Kronos]

Which lamer made the decision to only let OS4 run on these machines that can't be bought? Oh, Amiga Inc. of course.

Make that AmigaInc,Hyperion and Eyetech and your spot on.

Noone forced Hyperion to develop OS4 under these condition, heck they were warned again and again before.

[Minuous]

@Kronos:

Hyperion were silly to agree to those conditions, but I don't judge them harshly, because at least they have definitely produced something of quality, which is debatable about Eyetech and definitely not true for Amiga Inc.

[Kronos]

Well, your question was "Which lamer made the descision....", and you just have to include the Hype in any valid answer.

[Ian-uk]

I think getting OS4 working via PearPC would be a great idea. Anyone know if its possible?

[maffoo]

pierre wrote:
My main point is there CAN'T be two companys called amiga inc at the same time, just like you can't start another "blockbuster" or "sony".

My understanding (and I admit I only have a vague understanding here) is that two companies can share a name, as long as they're in different fields. If, say, one Amiga Inc. was a florist and didn't touch the computer market, they could have the same name as the computer/software company.

(Again, I might be wrong!)

Ian-uk wrote:
I think getting OS4 working via PearPC would be a great idea. Anyone know if its possible?

Not legally, unless you have an A1 and a legal copy of OS4. Then again, aren't A1s reference boards or something with some kind of dongle to stop OS4 being used on other hardware? If so, I can't see why it couldn't (theoretically) be done.

[humppa]

I think getting OS4 working via PearPC would be a great idea. Anyone know if its possible?

Should be possible if you find a way to work around the UBoot/Firmware issues.

As has been posted earlier, Adam Kowalczyk from ACK has already successfully managed to boot to OS4 under QEMU.

[pierre]

Technicly there are some instances where two companies can have the same name, like you point out.  THIS IS NOT THE CASE WITH AMIGA INC.  There is only one amiga inc.  If for some reason you can't belive this or are confused by what you read, take it from me, I have watched this all happen... there is only one amiga inc.  
If you think you just figured out that amiga inc does not own the OS or some other legal oversite consider that people have spent the least 7 years attempting the sort this out, so odds are you did not just find that loophole, esp if you don't have a legal background.  If you do think you have found a way to get the licence to the OS, great, check with a lawyer and THEN let us know how much money we need.  IF I am wrong please let me know as I don't want to spread false info.  I don't know why but this subject make me frustrated, esp when people insist on fase info!  
Yes amiga inc is alive, but it would appear the have been on life support for years.   amiga inc has made it clear that they don't have any intrest in the amiga community, so with any luck somebody will pull the plug on the life support and put then out of there misery.

[Kronos]

@pierre

".... people have spend the least 7 attemting to sort this out ...."

Actually noone (after Villagetronic) ever really attempted to figure
it out (in a court-room that is), cos noone believed that AmigaOS was
worth enough after Escom collapsed.

[Hyperspeed]

I must admit that this has crossed my mind too... a shell company was created to conceal the assets of Amiga Inc in a very carefully executed maneouvre.

Whether this was good clever or bad clever remains to be seen...

If the secret service MI5 has a department with it's sole purpose to discredit and suppress then I'm sure the ruthless world of business has also considered departments in their companies to buy rivals, harvest them of their useful bits and suppress them ever re-entering the market.

Microsoft did have that thing with the AutoExecute patent didn't they?

;-)