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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2006, 11:57:46 AM »
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Lately, I've begun switching to water: simple, costs almost nothing, and no health-issues whatsoever.


Couldn't agree more.
 

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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2006, 03:30:40 PM »
I recommend green tea for anyone with cancer phobia. tastes like {bleep} at first try, but you get used to it in time. other variants like oolong tea and  mugicha(barley tea) are easier to drink, though probably difficult to find in the west.
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2006, 02:41:25 AM »
Cymric, I'm glad you ended your post with a reccommendation of water. Your knowledge of chemicals seems vast so I was surprised you even considered Diet Coke to be a thirst quencher (didn't they add loads of sugar to it in Theme Park so you'd drink more?).

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I once made a Diet Coke lollipop in the freezer but couldn't get the spoon out when it froze rock solid. I put it on defrost for a while but I totally melted the lolly and evaporated the water. What was left behind was basically a thick tar, similar to black enamel paint.

I don't think the 'Cola' in Coca Cola is the same thirst quenching 'Cola Bean' that Africans/Arabs traded for long haul journneys. The recipe with it's caramel colourings, carbon dioxide bubbles and the rest certainly doesn't lubricate as quickly as a glass of ice cold H²O.

As for the plastic issue it is a real, July 2006 issue right now as German scientists have recently published findings in either Nature or New Scientist regarding oestrogen-linked chemicals in (plastic) bottled water.

And why is it that mashed baby food from Cow & Gate, Heinz et al comes in little glass jars. Even purified water and baby juice in little palm sized glass jars. Could silicone be a more lawsuit-proof material when it comes to contamination?

Another consideration is pasteurisation - when the liquid is heated to 80°C+ to kill the bacteria, is it pumped into the bottle hot or cold - hot might react with packaging.

There is also the issue of aluminium in cans - aluminium has been linked to dimentia and Parkinsons disease and I have noticed labels on ladies anti-perspirents recently saying `Aluminium Free Formula'.

And why does anyone think carbonated drinks are more refreshing? The bubbles make your eyes water and you can't drink too much or you'll belch it back up.

Heat Wave advice from the Met Office suggests a cool drink of water (uncarbonated fruit drinks are a reasonable alternative) that be sipped rather than gulped. 8 glasses a day be drunk for full hydration of the brain.

And I might add that you should sip a little even when you're not thirsty as by the time you ARE thirsty you will be mildly dehydrated. If your pee is yellow you need to drink a lot more. Clear pee is good pee!

Don't eat sugarpuffs in hot weather either.

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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2006, 07:59:59 PM »
Benzene... Mmmmm, Aromatic! :-D

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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2006, 08:46:33 PM »
Mmmm cyclobutadiene, antiaromatic...
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2006, 09:44:25 PM »
cyclobutadiene... tasty... hey, where'd it go?? :-o ;-)

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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2006, 09:56:34 PM »
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cyclobutadiene... tasty... hey, where'd it go?? :-o ;-)


Mmmm, too much ring stress and no delocalisation....

Read into that what you will *snigger*
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2006, 03:12:03 AM »
What's cyclobutadiene?

:inquisitive:

Anyone seen those MagiCool sprays in shops right now? They mysteriously cool you down somehow, the ingredients list is rather worrying though.

Would this stuff be classified as endothermic? Isn't liquid nitrogen in that category?

Another interesting thing I was thinking earlier... if the tannins in black grape juice and wine can block absorbtion of iron (Vitamin C aides absorbtion) and iron is an essential for a healthy brain... then is it reasonable to suggest that people that drink red wine are gradually becoming stupid?

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Also, ice cream - delicious though it is, is a dairy product and thus contains artery lining cholesterol. I have recently discovered 'vegan ice cream' in Holland & Barrett health shops and it tastes exactly the same but is made with soya-bean milk (thus contains Omega 3 & 6). A little off topic but it gets my thumbs up.

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Oh, they were giving away free miniature cans of Coke Zero in town today, nothing ground breaking. They'll try lime, cherry, vanilla, diet but it won't stop the inertia of people now realising that plain water is the best.

I had to laugh yesterday when an advert for the Dairy Council was showing these glamour models strutting about and it insinuated that eating cheese would make you beautiful. My fat arse... the growth hormones, cholesterol, anti-biotics and culture produced toxins are only going to give you nightmares and make you look like a fresian.

On the subject of anti-biotics, if a horse is given them then it's manure will kill all nearby plants and render the soil useless. Gardeners and eaters of horse beware!
 

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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2006, 10:23:42 AM »
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Diet?! YUCK

I can't stand diet anything, it's revolting. I can't even get that crap to rinse off my tounge! It's like it has some kind of wetting agent in it, or WD-40.

Coca Cola man.  :-)


WD40 isnt a wetting agent: WD means Water Dispersal.

however, I'd agree that diet coke must have something like it in as a flavouring agent! (wheres that dem bleurgh emotie when you need it ?!)
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2006, 10:40:05 AM »
Cyclobutadiene (more strictly cyclobuta-1,3-diene)
is 4 carbons in a cyclic (I hesitate to use ring more like square !) configuration with double bonds between two sets of carbon atoms.

or two ethene molecules linked by single bonds between the two carbons.

words are useless, piccies are better:

C=C
| |
C=C

the other valences in the carbon are of course hydrogen.

benzene is similar, but 6 carbons in a ring with three double bonds every other bond.

I'm not gonna try that one in Ascii art !!
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2006, 12:55:41 PM »
@AgaFaster

... except it is nothing like benzene chemically - no delocalisation of any kind, it is basically an extremely reactive diene (enchanced by the considerable bond angle strain) and tends to undergo an automatic diels adler reaction with itself.

Benzene, on the other hand does not have this alternating single/double bond structure, the electron density is spread evenly around the ring in a fully delocalised configuration. See Huckel rule for predicting ring "aromaticity".
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2006, 01:01:29 PM »
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:inquisitive:

Anyone seen those MagiCool sprays in shops right now? They mysteriously cool you down somehow, the ingredients list is rather worrying though.



Yes, I had some last summer and made full use of it :-) Unfortunately I couldn't find it in the shop recently. It's just water with a bit of dimethyl ether and presumbly some sort of emulsifier.

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Would this stuff be classified as endothermic? Isn't liquid nitrogen in that category?


Substances are not classified as endo/exothermic, only reactions (more specifically processes).

Magicool works simply because when you spray it on yourself, the ether evaporates out of the spray very quickly, rapidly cooling the water droplets before they hit you, in the process. There's no mystery to it ;-)
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2006, 03:33:15 AM »
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Magicool works simply because when you spray it on yourself, the ether evaporates out of the spray very quickly, rapidly cooling the water droplets before they hit you, in the process. There's no mystery to it


I wonder how many innocent rabbits, guinea pigs and monkeys had to endure hours of spraying into the eyes, ears, wounds and mouth to test the safety of that!

If people want to magically cool themselves they should wear a hat and buy an ice-cream.

On the subject of atoms and all that: why, with particle accelerators and all this, is it still beyond science to turn lead into gold?

We've already grown diamonds, built steam engines a few molecules across and set off multi-megaton nuclear bombs...

And back to soft drinks - what is an emulsifier, what is acesulfame, how does a 'widget' work in beer cans and just who sells/regulates the E numbers?

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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2006, 07:27:33 AM »
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(Aspartame has been linked to brain cell death as well!)

What hasn't?

Lately, I've begun switching to water: simple, costs almost nothing, and no health-issues whatsoever.


 CAUTION!
Large amounts of water hazardous! :P
water intoxication
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chug down about three quarts of water or more all at once to come down with a case of true water intoxication. These people become drowsy, lightheaded, and weak. They have trouble coordinating bodily movements and thinking straight, looking and feeling as if they just stumbled out of the local bar. But the water-intoxicated can't just go home and sleep it off. They must get treatment or risk going into convulsions, a coma, or even death.


AND Water can interfere with breathing!
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2006, 10:11:05 AM »
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Magicool works simply because when you spray it on yourself, the ether evaporates out of the spray very quickly, rapidly cooling the water droplets before they hit you, in the process. There's no mystery to it


I wonder how many innocent rabbits, guinea pigs and monkeys had to endure hours of spraying into the eyes, ears, wounds and mouth to test the safety of that!


The toxicity of the substances contained in the product are likely to have been long known before it was formulated. They're not exactly new. It's mostly water.

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If people want to magically cool themselves they should wear a hat and buy an ice-cream.


If you think that virtually anything you eat, ice cream included, has not had every additive exhaustively tested on animals then you are frankly a bit gullable. Even when a product says it has not been tested on animals, it does not imply that the components that went into making it have never been tested.

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On the subject of atoms and all that: why, with particle accelerators and all this, is it still beyond science to turn lead into gold?


It isn't. In theory, you could carefully build up gold atoms from lighter ones by heavy particle bombardment, or by carefully chipping down heavier ones.

In practise it's not possible simply because of the energy required, the fact that you are probably more likely to shatter your target nuclei than get it to fuse with the incoming one, that it would take interim stages of likely highly unstable nuclei that would just decay again faster than you can get from one metastable stage to another and that the end product would likely contain an infinesimal amount of gold relative to the now probably highly radioactive side products.

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We've already grown diamonds, built steam engines a few molecules across and set off multi-megaton nuclear bombs...


Growing crystals isn't that difficult, although getting them pure is another matter. Conceptually, nuclear devices aren't that complex either. Nanotechnology on the other hand...

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And back to soft drinks - what is an emulsifier, what is acesulfame, how does a 'widget' work in beer cans and just who sells/regulates the E numbers?

Answers on a postcard!


Well, an emulsifier is simply any substance that allows you to mix two normally immiscable liquids, eg hydrophillic and hydrophobic. You'll find them in all sorts of things from ice cream to moisturising cream...
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Re: Diet Cherry Coke
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And back to soft drinks - what is an emulsifier, what is acesulfame, how does a 'widget' work in beer cans and just who sells/regulates the E numbers?

Answers on a postcard!


Well, an emulsifier is simply any substance that allows you to mix two normally immiscable liquids, eg hydrophillic and hydrophobic. You'll find them in all sorts of things from ice cream to moisturising cream...


Acesulfame-K is a sweetner. The "Widget" is a small presurised liquid nitrogen canister, with a strees point at the top which breaks when the pressure outside gets too low (ie you open the can). The nitrogen then sprays through a tiny hole in the top releasing millions of tiny bubbles into the beer.

E numbers are regulated by the Codex Alimentarius Commission. http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

You really do ask very basic questions... :-(