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A4000 Hard Drive install
« on: July 05, 2006, 01:30:24 PM »
Hey All,
Had been a long time Amiga user but it has been a looong time now.  I have a friend that needs her A4000 IDE fixed.  I can only find a 20 gig or b igger hard drive and I cannot make it see all of it or even enough for her to install her video toaster flyer software.  Can someone help me refresh to set this up correctly?

Please any and all help would be very appreicated.

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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2006, 01:39:26 PM »
First of all, you need to use kick 3.1 and at least WB3.1, then you could be able to make a boot partition within the 1st 4 Gb, and then use the rest.
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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2006, 02:30:33 PM »
So I need 3.1 ROMS?  

Can you tell me how to go about doing the rest?

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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2006, 02:40:50 PM »
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First of all, you need to use kick 3.1 and at least WB3.1


It works with 3.0 either.

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I can only find a 20 gig or b igger hard drive and I cannot make it see all of it or even enough for her to install her video toaster flyer software. Can someone help me refresh to set this up correctly?


Boot from the Install disk, run HDToolbox, select the HDD, click on "Change drive type", click on "Define new" and click on "Read configuration". Make sure the values for Heads, Sectors and Cylinders are correct. Hint: 16 Heads, 63 Secotors and 16384 Cylinders are *not* the correct values.

If you've got the data sheet of the HDD, look for the value for "total sectors" or "user sectors" or "logical sectors". Divide this value by 16 and by 63 to get the number of cylinders. The result should be a whole number. If it isn't, don't round but cut off the remainder.

You might also use 16 heads, 63 sectors and 8322 cylinders to fake a 4GB drive, then you don't have so many problems when partitioning but are also unable to use the rest of the disk later.

After that click on Ok until you are back on the first page of HDToolbox, then click on "Partition drive" and create one 500 Meg boot partition and one 3000 Meg work partition. Note that the sizes displayed by HDToolbox are all wrong, you have to calculate the real sizes yourself. (Everything above 2GB is displayed wrong, if you use only sizes smaller than 2GB, then the display is correct).

To use the other 16GB of the disk, you have to install some special patches (updated IDE driver and updated file system), but I think this can wait until you successfully installed the desired software. 4GB is plenty of space for an Amiga.

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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 03:01:08 PM »
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CLS2086 wrote:
First of all, you need to use kick 3.1 and at least WB3.1, then you could be able to make a boot partition within the 1st 4 Gb, and then use the rest.


That's not true. You can use a 20 GB harddrive with Kickstart 3.0 and Workbench 3.0.
 

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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2006, 03:42:15 AM »
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CLS2086 wrote:
First of all, you need to use kick 3.1 and at least WB3.1, then you could be able to make a boot partition within the 1st 4 Gb, and then use the rest.


That's not true. You can use a 20 GB harddrive with Kickstart 3.0 and Workbench 3.0.


Yeah, if you use IDEFix97.  Workbench 3.9 will not run on 3.0. (3.1 exclusively).
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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2006, 07:52:55 AM »
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Yeah, if you use IDEFix97. Workbench 3.9 will not run on 3.0. (3.1 exclusively).


We are talking about WB3.0, nobody mentioned IDEfix or OS3.5+. You can as well run an updated scsi.device on Kick 3.0 or even Kick 2.0. Everything you need is available here: http://os.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=37

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Re: A4000 Hard Drive install
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2006, 01:08:43 PM »
Thomas,
Thanks VERY much you got me running.  I forgot the rules of HD on the Amiga.  It has been almost 6 years since I have plyed with an Amiga.  I just went with the defalt and acted like it was a 4 gig drive, since I dont have the drives data sheet and couldnt find it online.  Once I split the patitions down below the 2 gig the Newtek Flyer software saw there was enough there to install to and everything went fine.  Its funny how you can loose the little things you used to do every day when its been a while and the stuff you work on now is so different.  I fought very hard not to switch to a PC but in the end had to keep up with the modern work of video editing and in turn move to the PC.  I still have some Amiga stuff and have kept from getting rid of it because I didnt know where to post it for true Amiga people to get it rather then just let it go to the side.  In the near future I think I will post some of my Amiga treasures here.  

Thanks Again for all the help!

Chris W