Software for AOS4?

[Marky_D_Sahd]

Still trying to justify an $800 motherboard.  What sort of productivity software is in the offing?  Games that aren't ports of old games for other OS's?  What's worth $800?

[SnowBord]

dude just buy the thing.

i would if i had the cash...
winblows is certainly very usable but i scream at it on a daily basis.

i long for a supahdupah amiga to play with..
but then again, the grass always looks greener from the other side..??   :-P

i still want one. just cant buy one, want os4 tho for sure, even if all i'll do is tidy up my icons.
oh and watch divX's n play MP3s, DPAINT, Lightwave, imagefx etc etc... now that i think of it, theres a lot i would like to do but im stuck in this PC world  :-(

where'd that amithlon go..??

you can play late 1980's video games at 10 times the speed they where meant to be played at!!!! imagine playing PacMan at 10 times the speed??!?!??!?!?!?!? are  they insane man!!! no... their not insane...their genuis!!!!

well nothing is going to justify $800 for a motherboard with those sorry and outdated specs... os4 might be cool as long as its not just a rehash of 3.x. I wouldnt expect any amiga app software on the level of photoshop or MSoffice, but on the other hand ports of decent free software.. mozilla etc.. should be possible. honestly i wouldnt risk putting that $ into a system that might bomb (same with morphos or whatever), unless you got more $ where that came from to buy a decent pc/mac etc.

[Ohno]

Still trying to justify an $800 motherboard. What sort of productivity software is in the offing? Games that aren't ports of old games for other OS's? What's worth $800?

If you are this hesistant over buying it I think you shouldn't. Amiga One and OS4 just try to bring an updated Amiga to Amiga-fans. It is the first step and we can only expect new software to appear for it some time after OS4 has been released. Just wait a bit longer until AOS5 is out and application are coming in. In the meantime you buy that PC and when that one is outdated (shouldn't be much more than a year :-)) some true apps for the next generation of Amiga's might have appeared.
If you buy it now, while you think it is expensive and on top of that there's no new software for it, you're not going to like it and you're probably not the kind of person the A1 and OS4 is targetted at at this time.

I think the people buying an AOne should be completely in love with anything Amiga and/or want to help build a future for this machine by writing software for it.

Personally I can't wait for AOS4 to be finished, because I'll buy an Amiga One then. Although I need AOS4.2 for Amiga-Anywhere to be included, since that's what I'm currently developing for.

Just my 2 cents.

Onno

PS: Couldn't help myself with that PC outdated in a year crap.. not trying to start a flamewar... I've been working on the same PC for well over a year although I had to add a new processor, new memory and a new video-card to keep up to date a PC can INDEED work for you much longer than a year  :-P

[IonDeluxe]

Other than getting away from wintel you can install linux on it, then mac on linux and\or WINE which will give you access to a pretty big portion of Windows\linux\Mac gear.

Later on you also have the advantage of having OS4 and can move across to it at a steady pace instead of one big lump like I am gunna have to when I change to it.

[Piru]

@IonDeluxe:

Sorry, but WINE Is Not an Emulator

[xeron]

Marky, why don't you leave your $800 in your bank, and forget about it all until OS4 is out, and see for yourself before you buy.

Mind you, you obviously want to want one :-D. What do you do with your Amiga at the moment?

@Mips

I really don't understand your attitude. Sure, if you don't want an AmigaONE, or OS4, don't buy it, but you seem absolutely commited to make sarcastic comments and slam this project in every single thread where it is mentioned. Its unconstructive, tiresome, and pointless. It seems to be you and Paul_Gadd always coming out with stuff like "The AmigaONE is such a shoddy piece of utter crap and if you buy it you must be a total idiot", and things like that. Grow up.

And no, i'm not complaining about people excersizing their right to explain the bad points of AmigaONE or OS4, just the manor in which you seem to do it.

[Desolator]

But seriously, will the new AmigaOS be able to run the old games (as ADF's I presume.) or not? There is frightenly little information regarding the emulation part in AOS4...

(yes, I could and will shell out $800 on a machine just for the new OS and OLD games. That I can program it and other things is just a nice bonus.. )

no I'm just joking... I actually think OS4 might be good... 800$ is quite a steep price though... but there is always pacman ... if/when OS4  comes out and runs on my Pegasos2(when the Pegasos2 comes out) ... I'll be glad to pay 100+ dollars to run OS4 on my Pegasos alongside MOS...

and seriously... think about pacman at 10 times native speed...come on ... thats gonna be insane

[xeron]

Desolator wrote:
But seriously, will the new AmigaOS be able to run the old games (as ADF's I presume.) or not?

On the whole, no. OS4 doesn't emulate the custom chipset. Of course, if you are running it on a Cyberstorm, the custom chipsets are still there, but the 68k will be a JIT emulation on top of the PowerPC; so you get perfect custom chipset functionality (from the actual chips), and everything gets a kick up the ass (speedwise).

The AmigaONE version will be for retargetable programs, for example; YAM, IBrowse, Voyager, AWeb, AmIRC, Photogenics, Art Effect, ImageFX, Perfect Paint, Personal Paint, SoundFX, Audio Evolution, Digibooster, Amiga Writer, Final Writer, Wordworth, Payback, Crossfire II, Aqua, (and much more).

(of course I can't say for definate which will work, but theres no reason to suspect any of those above won't work, along with thousands of other programs).

Of course, there WILL be new software for OS4. How much, and how useful is anyones guess, and I don't blame anyone for being pessimistic about it, but I like to think positively. Although the situation is better for me than most users; I'll be poistively on cloud nine just having an enhanced and extended PowerPC native AmigaOS4 to develop for; regardless of its commercial success. So, really, the decision is easier for me than most.

There is frightenly little information regarding the emulation part in AOS4...

You'll get a JIT 68k emulator. Of course, theres nothing to stop someone writing custom chipset emulation software later.

(yes, I could and will shell out $800 on a machine just for the new OS and OLD games. That I can program it and other things is just a nice bonus.. )

Well, the old games will probably require UAE. But, because of design decisions that were made by both Commodore and software engineers in the "good old days" that (usually) made perfect sense at the time, you have to lose some degree of compatibility to go forward. Thats just life.

[xeron]

@Mips

OK thats cool. I'm just fed up of people shouting down others for their choices, rather than making constructive criticism; it really doesn't help anyone, and it happens far too much in our little "community"...

[Marky_D_Sahd]

Not to rain on my own parade, but most of the games I really loved (CinemaWare stuff, worms, etc) is available on Game Boy, system cost :100.00)  If all I wanted was a really cool game machine, I could buy one for a whole lot less, and have enough money left over to buy a cheap Dell system.  I REALLY love my Amiga, but the available word processors are lacking, the web browsers, though really cool, don't have the features nessesary to survive on the internet today, and we seem to have lost most of the best graphics software.  I might be using my migger a lot now, but what about next year?  It's not just a matter of speed (in fact, not a matter of speed at all, to me,) but a matter of functionality.  Will this be worth it?

[redrumloa]

@Marky

A year ago I would have been screaming BUY BUY. Now concidering all the delays and no idea at all of a release date I'd think wait. If OS4 comes out it would be easier to justify.

In the meantime you should really check out Peggy/MOS. The more I use mine the more I fall in love.

[Marky_D_Sahd]

A year ago, I was screaming "Buy!  Buy!"  Heck, I felt that way six months ago  (Read some of my posts)  It's just that all of the developments and developers that seemed to be waiting for the green light seem to have moved on.  Getting them back doesn't really seem likely.  Maybe the Amiga really is dead this time.  (The last time, the community saved it.  This time, there doesn't seem to be much community left.)

As for considering a Peggy, I had heretofore thought that the Amiga name and community would be a better draw for developers (especially those in the community).  Now, I'm not so sure.  Is the outlook on that side of the coin really that much better?  (I mean obviously, it's out and it works, but does it have a future?)