Amiga Celeron 2.4GHz WTH?

Lando wrote:
 such as Amigakit.com, Amiga Center France, Amiga Super Bit in Spain, Amiga City in Belgium, or Amiga Innovations in Perth, but we haven't had threads about those companies or people sending emails to Amiga Inc to get them shut down (or maybe they have, I dont know)

As stupid as I believe this whole thing is, The companies you mention (just as amiga.org) actively support the Amiga computer community.  It would be against their best interests to shut down support for their own audience.

Wayne

[Hans_]

Lando wrote:

Well, their company is called Amiga Electronics, and they sell mainly electronic components and PCB's.  

Ok, so they can sell electronic components and PCBs under that name. However, if I had a company called Sun electronics, do you think I'd get away with selling "Sun Workstations"? I suspect that Sun Microsystems would shut me down pretty quickly. It's te same with this company. Their naming might sound logical, but they are infringing on someone else's trademark.

Hans

[Dagon]

Lando here I see the sell computers that they call Amiga, my e-mail wasnt referring to other things that they may sell. I think it is misleading naming the computer they sell Amiga as it would be if it was called Atari or Apple.

[Hans_]

Looking at their page statistics, it appears that we've caused a bit of a spike. I wonder if they're wondering why they've suddenly got such an international interest (look at the last visitors list). :lol:

[itix]

Lando here I see the sell computers that they call Amiga, my e-mail wasnt referring to other things that they may sell. I think it is misleading naming the computer they sell Amiga as it would be if it was called Atari or Apple.

But but... what if they already licensed Amiga trademark from AI and have AROS running on their computers? It is not impossible ;-)

[Tomas]

Lando wrote:

Hans_ wrote:

Lando wrote:
They may not have even known of the old Amiga computer.  Hardly anyone under 25 or anyone who wasn't into computers in the late 80's remembers the Amiga any more.  Mention Amiga today and you just get 'Omega?  What's that? Is it like a Playstation?'

I would advise anyone starting a business to do a quick search to see if the name thay want is in use already. The fact that amiga.com was already registered should have been enough. A quick search for "Amiga computer" would have given enough evidence that a company called Amiga that sells computer stuff  is already in existence.

Failure to check if your chosen name is already in use can be disastrous.

Hans

Well, their company is called Amiga Electronics, and they sell mainly electronic components and PCB's.  

What confuses me is that there exists many other companies who also sell computers and parts or services, such as Amigakit.com, Amiga Center France, Amiga Super Bit in Spain, Amiga City in Belgium, or Amiga Innovations in Perth, but we haven't had threads about those companies or people sending emails to Amiga Inc to get them shut down (or maybe they have, I dont know)

The difference is that these stores actually resell amiga software and hardware, instead of slapping on a Amiga sticker and selling something not connected as an Amiga, when it is infact not.
If they on the other hand sold toilets under that name, then there would probably be no problems though.

[EvilGuy]

Wayne wrote:

Not at all.  If Amiga Inc actually chose to push the issue, it should be a simple cease and desist order...

Which would get you nowhere here in Australia. There are four companies in Australia using the name of my employer, and they're all valid, legally registered entities. They're all competing in the same fields as well.

[coldfish]

itix wrote:
Amiga Innovations being computer store abuse Amiga trademark too.

Nah, Amiga Innovations are a Perth based Amiga reseller.  Btw, their prices are breathtaking.

I think Amiga Electronics crossed the line when they started calling their PCs "Amiga", it's not only tacky, it's pointless, no one who still knows what an Amiga is, is going to rush out and buy an "Amiga" named bog-standard PC.

[billchase]

@fransexy

I see your point, but since the word "amiga" is an everyday
spoken word in the spanish language, this reseller could argue
that this is what they are referencing.  The word "Microsoft" is
not traditionally an everyday word in the English language, nor
is it even in the dictionary (at least Webster's online dictionary).
It is certainly of more clarity of what that word refers to. Again,
my logic might be far off base, but I hope it makes sense.


C Snyder

[billchase]

Crusher wrote:
I got an answer from Amiga.inc, they appreciated the heads up. Amiga.Inc´s legal team will investigate this.

Sounds good to me :-)

I really wonder why we should play police for them?  IMO they
have abandoned the community long ago (The A1 and OS4 don't
count as someone else did all the work for that).  Once they
start supporting the community again, then I will look out for
them.  Sorry to go OT, but just ranting.  I will leave my soapbox now.

C Snyder

[bhoggett]

Regardless of the fact that Amiga Inc don't have the balls to do anything about anybody, the reality is that they'd have a cast iron trademark infringement case against this company. Ignorance of the original use of the Amiga name is not a defense.

[Disparil]

That company should be driven out of business. I mean, those PCs they're selling are complete crap, even for PCs. 256 megs of RAM? On board video? Gimme a break.

[JoePillow]

Amiga Inc owns both Amiga trademarks...
Word: AMIGA
Owner/s: Amiga, Inc.,
a Washington Corporation
24403 256th Avenue SE
PO Box 887
Ravensdale, WA 98051
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Class: 9 Computers and computer peripherals, and parts, accessories, components and fittings therefor; computer programs and software

According to Washington state records this company is "Inactive" and without a business license since 2004, so it would appear that they have little if anything to "protect" any more:

> AMIGA, INC.
> UBI Number: 601 983 734
> Category: Regular Corporation
> Profit/Nonprofit: Profit
> Active/Inactive: Inactive
> License Expiration: Date 09/30/2004

The current Amiga, Inc. is a totally unrelated company, incorporated in Delaware. Of course this constant changing names and going back to the same name but with a different company is deceptive if you ask me, but I am sure many Amiga users will disagree.

If this trademark was worth something to them, one has to wonder why they were not able to transfer it. Maybe in Australia you have to prove what you say? Maybe somebody would have had a difficult time trying to convince law and order that the retroactive deal from 2003 was for real.

Not everyone is like the US Patent and Trademark Office who will accept a change where two different legal entities with confusingly identical names are involved as if it were as simple as an address that needs to be updated (rather than two different companies):

> CORRECTIVE ASSIGNMENT TO CORRECT THE ADDRESS AND STATE OF
> INCORPORATION FOR THE RECEIVING PARTY ON CHANGE OF NAME
> DOCUMENT PREVIOUSLY RECORDED ON REEL 003211 FRAME 0156.
> ASSIGNOR(S) HEREBY CONFIRMS THE CHANGE OF NAME.

The fact that amiga.com was already registered
should have been enough

Registered? To whom? amiga.com does not belong to Amiga, Inc. (at least not to the current Amiga, Inc.) Apparently it was not transferred to Itec, LLC (if anything ever was), which is why KMOS could not purchase it. As anybody doing their homework could easily verify, amiga.com is registered in the name of a company that is inactive and without a business license, i.e. IMHO the Australian company is worth more respect than that:

> WHOIS Record For
> amiga.com  
>
> Registrant:
> Amiga, Inc.
> P.O. Box 887
> Ravensdale, Washington 98051
> United States

Just my two cents. It only took about five minutes to look up these simple factoids.

[Nitro]

@ JoePillow

If all it took was for a company to be inactive, there would be flocks of companys selling Amiga brand computers.  There would be OS4 hardware here and now, but it doesn`t work like that.  This is about computer and the brand name.
From the Amiga Inc. site:
 The Amiga brand name is recognized worldwide. Amiga frequently receives requests from parties seeking to use our name, logo or image for merchandising purposes. While we do reserve the right to deny legal access to merchandising rights to anyone, Amiga is committed to assisting and growing the Amiga community with legitimate and positively directed business efforts.

To ensure that our brand is used properly, we have implemented a procedure that comprises

Initial review: asks the merchandiser to respond to complete an online questionnaire pertaining to their business, product, and desire to use the Amiga name.
Licensing agreement: including business terms and a US$1,000 administrative and legal non-refundable fee.
Signing off: on logo/image/name to be used.
Signing off: on an actual product sample.
Granting of rights: via signed licensing agreement.

If they pay for a license to call their computers "AMIGA" then fine.  It`s just not fair to other companys trying to produce hardware for Amiga OS4, that are required to buy a license.  At any rate the website in question appears to be down now.

[adz]

This thread is a joke right? Some of the responses lead me to question the sanity of the poster, not to mention the excessive amount of spare time some of you must have to; one, find the site, two, write a letter of complaint to a virtually non existant company. Wouldn't you rather see Amiga.inc spending their time and money on developing a new Amiga? Personally, I see Amiga.inc as Amiga enemy number one, anything and everything Amiga related should have been passed over to the community under a GPL loooong ago, instead all this time has been wasted by a bunch of knob heads trying to mooch every last cent they can out of the Amiga name.

[Nitro]

@ adz
I agree the OS should have been made GPL, and It realy doesn`t matter to me and apparently not to Amiga Inc if they receive money from the name and products.  The fact still remains there are rules and laws in this world that have to be followed.
Just because a business is not making the most of it`s property it doesn`t give someone else the right to take and use it. Even a music group still would have to pay the group or record label for the use of a song of a dead musician.