The AmigaOne is NOT "just a Teron board"!

in case you think my arguments are incorrect,

you threw logic out the window long ago when you simply say 'it came from bill and he cant be a liar' ... by quoting him on ET forums...etc... thats pure unadulturated zealot propoganda...

It doesnt matter that its not designed by Amiga Inc or based on older Amiga technology. It's been badged "Amiga", and runs AmigaOS, so it's an Amiga.

Amiga.inc dosent design it...market it... make an OS for it...all they do is restrict it... It's as much an Amiga as my P4 system is an Amiga...if 'anything' with AOS on it can be badged an Amiga... then the A1 is no-more or 'less' an amiga then anything else... followers of the 'name only' tend to consider the Pegasos 'not an amiga' simply because AOS wont legally run on it...when in fact it has the right just as much "IF NOT MORE SO" then the A1... IE:DCE making Amiga parts for years (i concede some of them have been complete #### of course)

[Glaucus]

it will find it's way onto the internet...and get pirated by those who bought much cheaper TeronCX's direct from the maker MIA.
They want it because it's cheaper.

Exactly how much cheaper?  And does that include the CPU?  And where can I find a dealer to place an order?  What's MIA's web site???

  - Mike

[samface]

mips_proc wrote:

in case you think my arguments are incorrect,

you threw logic out the window long ago when you simply say 'it came from bill and he cant be a liar' ... by quoting him on ET forums...etc... thats pure unadulturated zealot propoganda...

LOL! Read that post again and perhaps you might be able to comprehend what I actually said.  :roll:

You're so totally disillusioned that I even don't know where to start

the same could be said of you..for believeing every single word that marketing says... do you buy candy expecting it to taste more real then real fruit's they mimic? ...if you say yes I will laugh... if you say no... then you're admitted marketing in other fields lies... if so why do you believe that in this companys case that they are any differant?.

Oh please, you don't even know how to spell their product name correctly. "Terron"? LOL!

I guess we're not all perfect... unlike you sameface huh?

Don't accuse people of things when you're not even sure

you mean like when you accuse people of lying and are proven wrong yet dont admit to it?

Sure, Amiga Inc. just bought the name for screwing the Amiga community.

no they bought the name for it's market value to sell PDA software... thinking 'its already got a community we just make a quick cash product and shove it down their throat enough it'll sell....what about this OS thing? commadork ? amishga? hmmmmm I think we can make some money with that to...'

From http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,687950,00.asp:

ET: After our news story, we had a pretty strong posting on our website. Our member said that Amiga OS "will apply some form of hardware-license mechanism, a dongle to his hardware."

Bill McEwen: That's untrue.

ET: And that if you want AmigaOS, "you're not allowed to buy it. You have to buy a new Teron board."

Bill McEwen: That's untrue.

ET: and that "Amiga Inc. has nothing to do with AmigaOS"

Bill McEwen: That's untrue.

ET: Stop up to our message boards and set the record straight!

Bill McEwen: OK, I will

--- End quote ---

Need I say more? Troll.


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having said that... you seem to think Bill isnt lying and that what he said is correct... yet everything we have seen the community shows it to be incorrect

IE: AOS4 will be rom attached to the A1
IE:the A1 is the only board licensed for AOS4
IE:AOS4 will not be retail
IE:you must either own an 'old' PPC Accel or buy the new A1 to run AOS4.... PPC Accel aside you cant just go pickup a ArticiaS based board and use AOS4 on it.

Believeing Bill is like believing in the tooth fairy... wether what he says is true or not...the end result is nobody has seen it to verify it...so logic must say he's telling a fib... but again I'm sure he would have a clever excuse handy to explain 'A1 isnt TeronCX" you can run AOS4 on the PPC accel... 'it isnt a 'rom' its a firmware OS holder' or whatever... he could talk his way out of it and prove he isnt 'directly' lying but everything he said leads to untrue conclusions.....I hope enough of the outside world listens to seehund and others and dont get screwed into buying something that was sold to them on one premise but delivers another.

[samface]

mips_proc wrote:

You're so totally disillusioned that I even don't know where to start

the same could be said of you..for believeing every single word that marketing says... do you buy candy expecting it to taste more real then real fruit's they mimic? ...if you say yes I will laugh... if you say no... then you're admitted marketing in other fields lies... if so why do you believe that in this companys case that they are any differant?.

Yes and no. You see, I believe in facts. If the marketing is supported by facts (which they actually are sometimes) then I believe in it. You have FUD and irrational conspiracy theories, I see no reason for believing in that. It's as simple as that.

I believe in facts

then you believe humans all speak facts only? or is Bill a robot?
you must of course believe then the A1 and TeronCX are one in the same then....and therefore yesterday before it was proven to you ...you believed what eyetech said... therefore believing 'marketing hype' and not 'fact'?.

You have FUD and irrational conspiracy theories, I see no reason for believing in that. It's as simple as that

FUD to you(and anyone who has illogical love of A.inc a company who so far has produced nothing but PDA software).. you bieng a zealot ready to believe anything that comes from A.inc..... A.inc having proven to say things that are untrue ..IE:the extremetech interview.... you seem to believe the facts of it... once we have 'fact' to backup Bill's 'claims' they should be thought of as 'untrue' since they dont align with the 'facts' we have 'now' ...

but alas you believe them anyway... and my logic says.. a logical person who you claim to be... shouldnt believe something told to him that goes against what everything else says... Bill M wanted to sound 'cool' to ET ... because he knows lots of people see that... if he had replied to 'any' of those questions it would give an 'in' for that reviewer to make him look like a fool.
I'm actually happy he did what he did...it exposed him internally to the community for what he is...while at the same time kept face...

If the marketing is supported by facts (which they actually are sometimes) then I believe in it

I want to see what facts you can 'dig up' to prove bill wasnt telling fibs about AOS... where are these 'facts' ?... you mean AOS4 "WILL" be retail? I dont 'NEED" an A1 to run AOS4... and there IS NO  Rom/Dongle/etc ?... and A.inc IS developing AOS4?... those are some pretty 'big' claims... and you call me a FUD spreader for disagreeing with them?

[Tigger]

Glaucus wrote:

Okay, you tell me how much a competing motherboard + equivalent CPU goes for!  According to your claim that eyetech inflates their price tag by 900% I should be able to find a TeronCX + CPU for about $50 or less.  Somehow I get the hint that your entire post is nothing but malakie-es!  Ask AmiGR what that means!

Mike,

I believe he is talking about other products that Eyetech is selling on their website.   The Teron board is available for under $300, and at least one dealer has a $500 PPC Linux starter system which includes case, etc.    My guess is we are paying for their failed first effort at designing their own board.
     -Tig

not just the eyetech mainboard... the DCE Pegasos... and there is one other company? seehund posted a while ago that is making an ArticiaS based board... all of these are sub 500$... there are going to be more then just eyetech distributing the TeronCX/PX/etc

[Paul_Gadd]

@Glaucus

Exactly how much cheaper? And does that include the CPU? And where can I find a dealer to place an order? What's MIA's web site???

I am talking about standard hardware (nothing Amiga,  like Amigaone, zorro, mediator, clock port adapters etc etc)

Eyetech are rip offs and thats not make believe that is FACT, if you dont believe it just price compare any NON Amiga specific hardware and see how much they screw amiga users because "It works on the amiga" and other shady sales tactics,

If you want to support CROOKS then do so but dont expect people who can see behind the "oh but its an amiga shop and deserves our support" attitude,

also it Glaucus it isnt just their Boards/etc they inflate...look at all the other products... all they need to do is sell you an IDE cable and they make 90% Profiet on it..sellint an IDE cable for 2$ is like 180% profiet when you get it for 20 cents..... I used to work for a retailer who bought bulk and believe me eyetechs prices are wacko even for the UK import costs and such... their nutzo

[Glaucus]

Amiga.inc dosent design it...market it... make an OS for it...all they do is restrict it... It's as much an Amiga as my P4 system is an Amiga...if 'anything' with AOS on it can be badged an Amiga...

I think the root of the problem is that some people only see the technical side.  But that's not how the general public sees it.  Regardless of what you might think of marketing schemes, they play an important role.  As it is, only Amiga Inc can say what is an Amiga and what is not, and it is totally up to their disgretion.  If they pick a rock off the ground and say that's an Amiga, well it's an Amiga.  They and only they have that power.

"Amiga" is and always has been just a name.  Commodore used it to name their new multimedia computer back in '85.  Amiga is not mystical or magical, it did not descend from the heavens nor was it handed out by the lady of the lake.

To argue that the "new" Amiga is not an Amiga is pretty stupid.  It's like arguing that the new Porsche 911 isn't really a 911 because you liked the older models better.  Or that the new Nissan 350Z isn't really a Z because the older 300ZX was better, or the not yet released 2004 Toyota Supra won't be a real Supra because it's not like the past Supras.  All these companies own the name and can re-use that name on new cars that almost have almost no resemblence to the original product.  You can love it or hate it, but you can't dispute what it is.

Now, back to the computer market....  I think Amiga Inc is doing a good thing here.  The PC market is a bit different as you have a wide selection of motherboards (AUS, Gigabyte, MSI, Abit, Soyo, etc...) and CPUs (Durons, Thunbderbirds, athlons, athlonXP's, P3's, P4's, Xeon's, celerons, etc...) and you can walk into any computer retail shop and buy the parts OR have them design and build one for you.  Not quite so for the PPC market.  Fact is, I never even knew they sold PPC motherboards outside the iMac market.  It's a market that I'm completely out of touch with, so I would be very confused about how to even start building a PPC machine for AOS4.  Amiga has helped me here by labeling a particular hardware platform as the AmigaOne and made it the official platform.  For me, as a clueless customer in this new market it makes my life a lot easier.  It might not be the best choice but to me it seems like the safest choice.  Amiga Inc may have made mistakes in the past, but as far as I'm concerned this is not one of them.  This is a very smart move on their part.

  - Mike