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Offline JoseTopic starter

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Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« on: May 17, 2006, 08:28:24 PM »
I have 2 HD's in my PC, one for serious stuff, other for er.. other stuff :-D, wich is the one I use the very few times I connect to the internet from home (dial-up). When I do so I allways disable the HD with serious stuff from the BIOS just to be secure.

Now check this out. Last time I coonected just to check mail and within 3 or 4 minutes the "MatrixHasYou" virus got into my machine! It's Win2K with SP4. Ok I got no AntiVirus but a friend of mine has (can't remember wich one) and he got infected too. Maybe his antivirus wasn't updated for a moth- week whatever. The thing is PC's have gotten so vulnerable that "normal" people will never be able to use/maintain one without getting infected, or spend $$ every month!!
Time to get my Amiga online I say :-D Been also thinking about installing Debian on the X86 machine for a long time but I really don't feel like taking the time to learn/get used to yet another OS.
My point is, if FireFox has become popular because it's more secure (ok and with a few cool features like tabs), or because IE has become extremely vulnerable, then maybe it's not that difficult to convince users to at least try different platforms, specially since most of these virus are actually written to steal personal information on credit cards, paypal, ebay, mail whatever account data...
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2006, 08:41:36 PM »
amiga scene was full of viruses when amiga was the top in the market, so don't blame pcs for this, but the guys which make them. as they say, the scorer gets the cheerleader :-)
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2006, 08:51:09 PM »
I didn't blame PC's, I think... :-)
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2006, 08:54:10 PM »
Its always been the same. Viruses, worms, bugs or whatever you want to call them. Anti-virus software is only so good the best thing you can do to protect your computer is get a router and use that as your "hub" and plug into that as it then acts as a very good firewall protecting your computer from all sorts of atacks.
I cant stress it enough NEVER open email atachments unless you know your expecting it from someone and at the very least have  a good virus protection program like AVG and run programs like "Spybot search and destroy" and "Addaware" a couple times a month. All are free downloads and will dramaticly reduce problems.
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 08:54:18 PM »
i've just comment that amiga was popular once... amiga virus warning guide
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 09:10:28 PM »
@tony

Yeah, I'm more or less informed. The thing is, to stay protected one has to spend more and more amounts of $$. Not so long ago, one did not need AntiVirus at all as long as we knew the software we run wasn't infected. Newer virus take advantage of security flaws of Windows, and I guess not even with a Firewall a Windows machine is completely prottected (what if the Firewall gets hacked :)). But ok, a firewall is all one needs today I guess.
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2006, 09:15:47 PM »
A little common sense will keep you protected just fine. As others have suggested, get a router and an anti-virus.

The security flaws with Windows simply come with the job. The OS is so wide-sperad and popular that it is a natural target for people to exploit. The same would apply to any other OS, that is if anyone bothered to look for weak points and attach them, as much as they do nowadays as with Windows. :-)
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2006, 10:07:12 PM »
I remember when Firefox first came out it was the best brouser available because it had no hakers programing stuff to exploit it but now its just as unsecure as explorer as far as I'm conserned but I still like it better.
If the Amiga would still be on top you would have just as many problems with it.
I dont care for MS's buisness tactics but what choice do we truly have. The Mac platform is great but very expencive. and LINX/UNIX dont run alot of the software I use.
I only wish that Commodore would have done things right and kept up with the Amiga (but thats a topic for another tread) :roll:
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2006, 10:09:54 PM »
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I didn't blame PC's, I think...


It's not the PC, it's the lame ass OS your using.  :-D  

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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2006, 10:19:58 PM »
I don't get you guys.  I have no antivirus software on my PC, and I haven't gotten a virus in 10+ years.  I use Outlook Express exclusively for e-mail (I don't like Firebird).

Firefox is also overrated.  It uses many of the same design principles of IE (like, running code directly over the Internet and JavaScript hacks all over the place).  If you search forums, you'll find plenty of posts about people having their systems attacked through Firefox.  The Open Source community is just hyper-sensitive about that information getting around.  If the deisign is flawed, it's just a matter of time before exploits are found.  How fast they fix the problem is irrelevant as people cannot be expected to update software on a daily basis.

v1.5 also still has bugs that have been around since 0.8, plus more problems with copy/paste and hotkeys.  I'm so sick of this "Open Source is always better" BS.  It's the dedication of the developers that matters.
 

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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2006, 10:43:53 PM »
"I don't get you guys. I have no antivirus software on my PC, and I haven't gotten a virus in 10+ years. I use Outlook Express exclusively for e-mail (I don't like Firebird)."

Ok, but you're using a Firewall for sure...
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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2006, 10:46:12 PM »
What is even more funny is this: If you have your lan cable plugged into your broadband modem, you actually get automaticly infected with viruses during the windows installation process! As soon as windows setup the network, it will be infected unless you are behind a router"NAT" or some other kind of firewall.

So if you do infact have no protection on the router side, you will have to install a firewall on the computer before hooking up the lan cable. Sadly most people dont have a firewall already on a cd, so the only way to get a firewall is to plug it into the internet which means it will be infected already before you got to download it  :-(

Pretty amazing for a modern OS to be so unsecure.
 

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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2006, 10:47:33 PM »
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amije wrote:
amiga scene was full of viruses when amiga was the top in the market, so don't blame pcs for this, but the guys which make them. as they say, the scorer gets the cheerleader :-)

Maybe not pcs, but we can certainly blame Microsoft for making a OS with so many open security holes. Even if linux was as popular as windows, it would still be pretty impossible to get viruses the way i described earlier.

It is also a really pain in the a*s to use windows as a regular user without admin or install access. Alot of programs refuse to work without admin priviliges, so that way most people are forced to use it in a really insecure way.
 

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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2006, 11:05:01 PM »
@Jose

Download either Avast or AVG, both are free for home use and both are very good. A personal firewall like ZoneAlarm would be a good idea as well.
 

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Re: Just how vulnerable PC's have become in the internet!!
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2006, 11:20:43 PM »
It never ceases to amaze me how this can be so hard. By following couple of simple advice (most given here already) and you're safe.

- Use NAT (either from the routing network hw, or from linux/bsd). This is the single most effective way to block tons of malware coming thru OS service vulnerabilities. No-one from outside world can access your box directly. This also allows you to safely (re)install Windows without fear of instant infection.

- Keep your Windows updated. This is absolutely crucial for safe system. Enable automatic updates.

- Use antivirus program. If you don't want to pay, there are good free alternatives, for example Avira/AVG/Avast. Have the program autoscan the system regularily.

- Use spyware/adware scanner. Spybot S&D and Ad-Aware SE are both free and very effective. Use both for best coverage. Update the databases and scan the system frequently.

- Use the windows built-in firewall, just in case (maybe you someday need to connect the system to inet directly. This way you won't get infected in that case, either). You can also use Zonealarm if you like.

- Use Firefox. Whatever is said about Firefox vulnerabilities, they are still patched much faster than IEs. Most malware is for IE. Only use IE for sites that you really must (read: sites that suck with Firefox).

- Don't use outlook. If you must use outlook, disable html mail display. 99.99% malware comes thru IE and Outlook (it uses IE engine to display html, so any hole in IE is hole in Outlook). Eliminate both and you're already very safe.

- Don't download and install software/games from questionable sources. Really, don't.

- Never automatically click "Yes" on dialogs. Always read the dialog text, first.

- Offers sounding too good to be true are not true.

- Learn to identify most common scams: chain letters, pyramid schemes, telemarketing scams, 419 frauds (advance fee fraud), bank phishing, stock scams (penny stock scams) etc. If you know the current/old scams, you're much more likely to identify new ones aswell.

- Don't install anything recommended by your friend via email, without checking with him/her first. Viruses/backdoors can forge really convincing fake messages these days, reusing parts of legit previous correspondance.


The above list is incomplete, but this alone is going to keep you safer than 99.99% of the Windows users.