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Offline Oliver

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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #14 from previous page: April 28, 2006, 02:05:24 AM »
Hi, I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but you should check if your shop actually has the A1 in stock.  Some shops will list a price for hardware that they don't really have, and the A1 is a rare breed.  A number of people have tried to buy A1s without being able to find a source.
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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2006, 08:40:29 AM »
You can even run WB 3.9 with Pegasos, if you don't like Ambient for some reason ;) Although Ambient is that amigaish and offers much more, that I don't see much point in it :) Also DOpus Magellan2 can be run as WBReplacement on MorphOS. And Scalos too.
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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2006, 09:15:43 AM »
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balrogsoft:  The problem is not the config of WinUAE, is Windows and its processes or tasks, if i open task manager i see 47 processes and only with 100mb of ram free of 512 mb that i have, only internet explorer opened, you are playing a 2d game (not only UAE, other 2d games running with DirectX), and sometimes it have little stops on the scroll, and with all programs closed, like antivirus and other programs. But as i said this is not the most important thing. I tired of PC's for other reasons...

It is possible to get smooth scrolling on a Windows platform, but most Windows programmers don't bother with VSync, unfortunately.  It never ceases to amaze me that Windows gamers will boast about 100+ frames per second, oblivious to the fact that if the framerate isn't in sync with the display, the game will look WORSE.  It doesn't pay to go too fast, but, try explaining this to someone who never grew up with the Amiga.  :roll:

Linux and my Mac aren't any better.

The number of processes doesn't really matter, so long as they don't all want the CPU at the same time.  Antivirus software, in particular, is really nasty at slowing down a Windows computer, which is why I don't have any.

With VSync turned on, you shouldn't have any trouble getting smooth scrolling in WinUAE.  I've noticed, though, that dual core processors, or chips with hyperthreading will cause [sometimes quite severe] framerate issues with WinUAE.  WinUAE is pretty good as far as compatibility is concerned, but I can't say it's very stable or refined.  But, hey, it's free.  :rtfm:
 

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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2006, 09:37:15 AM »
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It is possible to get smooth scrolling on a Windows platform, but most Windows programmers don't bother with VSync, unfortunately.  It never ceases to amaze me that Windows gamers will boast about 100+ frames per second, oblivious to the fact that if the framerate isn't in sync with the display, the game will look WORSE.


Yes, VSync must solve some problems on scroll, but i think the effect i described is not VSync related, because i know the effects of a game not synchronized with vertical raster, i saw some pc gamers that set VSync off to get more FPS, but i prefer get less FPS and better quality, 40 or 50 FPS is more than enough to play a game, GTA for PSP runs at 25-30 FPS and it look very nice (without mention the problem with screen refresh rate of PSP).

I saw PegasosII board, and it seems very interesting, i decided to wait for OS4 hardware, i don't need a new Amiga now, i can wait some months more, if on this time i don't see news about new hardware, maybe i will get a PegasosII board, it's the perfect alternative to OS4 hardware.

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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2006, 04:05:42 PM »
Hi, i was searching an A1 motherboard when i found this:

G3S600 G3-se@600 Mhz, 128 Mb, 80 Gb, ATI Radeon 9200 64 Mb, SB Live Pci, Dvd Rom 16x, floppy, keyboard + mouse PS/2 for 900 EUR

And i found also this:

AmigaOne G3-SE G3 750CXe @ 600 Mhz - Formato ATX for 670 EUR
AmigaOne G4-xe G4 7451 @ 800 Formed Mhz for 840 EUR

I sent an email to the shop to confirm the stock, at the moment i didn't received the confirmation.

What do you think about these motherboard and the config? is enough for my needs?

Thanks again.
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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2006, 04:44:08 PM »
@balrogsoft

You will have to wait for a very long time (forever most likely) for those being available again. If you absolutely must get A1, 3rd party is your only option for now.
 

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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2006, 06:58:51 PM »
Avoid the SE models.  They have more problems than any other kind of AmigaOne.  The XE will be ok but not as reliable as the MicroA1-c as there was a problem discovered in the design of the USB ports that was corrected in the Micro.

You're better off waiting for something new, the AmigaOne series are troublesome but the people that got the working AmigaOnes don't want to sell them.

AmigaOS 4.0 will not use the onboard 68040/060 on a Blizzard so don't worry about that.  The PowerVixxen LT won't include a 68k series processor on board for that reason (or so I've heard).

As for the Troika Amy '05, if/when it comes out, it will be stuck with the PowerPC 750 series from IBM which are the bottom of the totem-pole with regard to production capacity.  Likewise the processor won't be as upgradable as the MicroA1-c or AmigaOne XE except the graphics card won't be on-board on the Troika and therefore you can get a good GPU instead.
 

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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2006, 06:59:53 PM »
Hi,
for my 1200 PPC@224+060+scsi+Grex+Voodoo3+Ess solo1 :
when i use Frogger 2.07 WARP or MOS for VCD and few divx, i mostly haven't got sound with the DVD and the frame rate should be around 12-15 fps.
when I use AmiDog v2 for classic PPC, you can see here my tries :
http://www.amidog.se/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=45

Both Peg1 and A1 can read well VCD, DIVX and "unprotected" DVD.
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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2006, 11:08:29 AM »
Hi, the shop where i found the A1 motherboards don't response at the moment, and i ask about A1 stock on amigasuperbit, and i got an interesting information, they said that eyetech will not have new motherboards until may-june, they don't know what models will be available, but it seem that new A1 hardware will be produced on a few months, they said that this is the information that Amiga distributors can give to the clients. Interesting news, i hope that it will be true.
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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2006, 11:15:58 AM »
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balrogsoft wrote:
...i need for work, i work programming mobile and web-based videogames, and i can't make it on Amiga, but for home use, i want a machine to see movies, listen music, burn cd's/dvd's and browse the web, ...



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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2006, 11:42:50 AM »
That was what I was going to say, but some people like to go about it the hard way.
 

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Re: I'm tired of PC's, update an A1200 or wait OS4 hardware?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2006, 11:56:45 AM »
@Balrogsoft

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Hi, the shop where i found the A1 motherboards don't response at the moment, and i ask about A1 stock on amigasuperbit, and i got an interesting information, they said that eyetech will not have new motherboards until may-june


I think you're right. I also heard from Ikir that an Italian dealer received and shipped a uA1 last month. Maybe Eyetech are getting CPU's from Adam.ACK?
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