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OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:35:52 PM »
I got NeXT's OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro.  Works like a charm, and fast, under virtualization.  

http://www.maconintel.com/news.php?article=179

Is Cloanto's "Amiga Forever" basically a windows-based emulator, or does it boot up in its own mini-OS?  I was wondering how this might work on the MacBook Pro, and it would be especially nice if it did not require Windows.  

Any info appreciated.  Thanks.




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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2006, 08:50:12 PM »
Amiga Forever comes as both WinUAE for use in Windows, and a full OS (KX Light) + UAE.

Edit: Corrected name, KX Light not KxLite.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 09:28:47 PM »
Can you provide more info about this, about its use of KxLite and about KxLite in general?  Tnx.


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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2006, 09:20:47 PM »
Will the Knoppix install let you install the boot CD to hard disk, basically, so you can setup a VM to boot a virtual HD install that goes right to the Amiga desktop (with Linux running underneath)?

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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2006, 10:46:35 PM »
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Will the Knoppix install let you install the boot CD to hard disk


Yes.  But, why not just run E-UAE in OSX and remove the extra VM layer?
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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2006, 11:02:22 PM »
It's been my perception that PC-based Amiga emulators / versions of UAE are closer to the real thing, ahead in development, etc.  Is that not the case?

Would I be just as well off w/ the Mac E-UAE as w/ this Cloanto install?




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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2006, 12:10:32 AM »
@blakespot

Yes, WinUAE is more advanced.  But, when you run AmigaForever with KX Light you are running E-UAE.  When you are running AmigaForever in Windows you are running WinUAE.
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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2006, 12:33:29 AM »
Hm.   Is it possible to "run AmigaForver" under OS X's version of E-UAE?  Cleanly?

And is WinUAE that much more solid as far as providing a convincing emu experience?

(I have hardware 1200 060 and A2000 so I have that to compare to.)




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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2006, 02:02:51 AM »
WinUAE and the Intel Linux-based version of EUAE both support JIT-compilation.  The PowerPC-based versions of EUAE do not.  AFAIK the MacOSX version of EUAE is targeted toward the PowerPC Mac and therefore doesn't have JIT compilation.

The source code of EUAE is available at Rich Drummond's website (look for the download table at the very bottom).  Feel free to customize it to your needs.  I believe there is also a SourceForge project for EUAE that provides CVS support.
 

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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2006, 04:33:51 AM »
@blakespot

Hi, I'm just curious: what would you say OPENSTEP is particularly good for?  Is there a lot of software available for it?

Thanks
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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2006, 12:55:20 PM »
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@blakespot

Hi, I'm just curious: what would you say OPENSTEP is particularly good for?  Is there a lot of software available for it?

Thanks


While it's a rather functional OS today, it's more of a historical thing, really.  

NEXTSTEP was the first UNIX OS (BSD using the Mach microkernel) that was friendly to use.  An app could generally be moved from one machine to the other by copying the application directory to the target machine.  The bundled e-mail app was called Mail.app.  In the Workspace, this was an app icon you could double-click and it would launch.  In reality, there was a directory on the disk called Mail.app that contained all of the applications binaries and resources.

Mac OS X does apps exactly the same way, as it is derived from NEXTSTEP.  (It went: NEXTSTEP -> OPENSTEP -> Rhapsody -> Mac OS X)

Many feel the system has, even today, a very clean GUI and a very elegant way of doing most things.  Even the documentation (printed texts) feel very elegant.  Thank Steve Jobs for all that.  

The OS is very internet friendly.  All the standard net apps exist for the machine, with the biggest weakness being in the browser selection.  The most advanced graphical browsers for the machine are an old version of Omniweb and Linx with gfx support compiled in.  I keep hoping someone will port Mozilla to the unit.  

I am not compelled to use OPENSTEP, today, as my primary OS.  But it's rather functional and an interesting exercise to run.





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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2006, 12:56:19 PM »
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WinUAE and the Intel Linux-based version of EUAE both support JIT-compilation.  The PowerPC-based versions of EUAE do not.  AFAIK the MacOSX version of EUAE is targeted toward the PowerPC Mac and therefore doesn't have JIT compilation.



Can you expand on how this limits the Mac version of E-UAE.  What does JI compilation get you?



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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2006, 05:22:28 PM »
JIT gets more speed on emulation so that the programs run as fast as the processor allows.  I've use EUAE on my MicroA1-c and even though it has an 800 MHz G3 it can't emulate an '020 at full speed.  My PC is an 800 MHz P3 and it does quite well on WinUAE despite being slower than my Micro.
 

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Re: OPENSTEP running on a MacBook Pro...
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 09:58:47 PM »
...so did EUAE on your microA1 support JIT (like the Knoppix AmigaForever does) or no (like the Mac OS X EUAE)??  

I would be running this on a MacBook Pro with a Core Duo 2.0GHz (two cores).  I intend to run under Parallels Workstation virtualization.  Thanks.




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