Mozilla on AOS4

[Tomas]

mikeymike wrote:
@ Tomas

Why do you think 95% uses it? Cause of webmasters like YOU!

There's a bigger reason before that - MS bundling IE with Windows.

Very true... But if webmasters didnt care too much about the special IE "standards" then ppl would finally see other browsers as a better alternative to IE, since IE dosent render the websites right.

[mikeymike]

@Tomas

Very true... But if webmasters didnt care too much about the special IE "standards" then ppl would finally see other browsers as a better alternative to IE, since IE dosent render the websites right.

Take a look at 99% of Windows user's desktops.  You'll find the default desktop colour background still in use.  What does this tell you? :-)

[sTix]

@mikeymike

 :oops:

oh, I'm using 1.0.0, the one that comes with Debian,
I guess I should try upgrading.. I'll do that now as a
matter of fact  :-D

[sTix]

BUT again,

I do think that our slow 68k miggys have put healthy
pressure on the developers and I think it would be a
shame if we would drop great, heavilly optimised software
like IB and Voyager in favor of Mozilla etc. OK, I'm not
using the latest Mozilla but this machine (A1XE) is a
rocket compared to my A3k and still it certainly doesn't
feel like one, and I think it should even if Mozilla would
be a shell-script (and maybe it is .   :-D )....

[hagar]

sTix wrote:
I've been using Mozilla on the A1XE for a week now and
all I can say is: It's dead slow! It's eating huge amounts
of memory. Do we really want this as our main browser
for our new Amigas? I definetly don't!  
[....]

I guess you havn't tried Netscape 4.x?
That browser is much slower?

Have you tried phoenix/firebird?
That is a browser built upon gecko (mozillas rendering engine).  Smaller and much faster.

Look here:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/

However there I havn't found any binary-files for PPC Linux.

I guess you have to pull the source from CVS and build on your own.

[anarchic_teapot]

mips_proc wrote:
IE sets the standerds... it dosent follow them...

IE doesn't set standards, it screws them up!

Hey, this site looks really nice with Konqueror. Down with Mozilla, I've never been able to get it to work properly. Konqueror and Opera rock, though.

[hagar]

That and the freakin' adverts in the top right window sucking up my precious bandwidth.

I think I've heard that Opera downloaded adverts like once a week and stored them locally.

So I don't belive that Opera tried to take your  precioussss bandwidth from you.

[Jose]

So noone would like an updated version of IBrowse?

[mikeymike]

@ Jose

Of course they would, but incase you hadn't noticed, the subject of this thread is "Mozilla on AOS4" :-)

[Tomas]

mikeymike wrote:
@Tomas

Very true... But if webmasters didnt care too much about the special IE "standards" then ppl would finally see other browsers as a better alternative to IE, since IE dosent render the websites right.

Take a look at 99% of Windows user's desktops.  You'll find the default desktop colour background still in use.  What does this tell you? :-)

That the average windows user is totally retard when it comes to computers...  :-)

But anyways... If their belowed IE browser did not work with websites, cause IE dosent follow the standard, then they would be forced to switch browser.

I actually want to block IE from my websites... just to protest.

[Ponos2D]

Why bother and spend money on porting Browsers!
We allready have them, and they only need to
be standardized!
As I recall, there will be Ibrowse3.0 for OS4,
with all latest standards!

[Wain]

Mozilla has a history of running slow  under linux.  Do a search on the mozilla website, or google for that matter, and you'll find tons of references relating to people trying to get it to run quickly.

[gnarly]

mips_proc wrote:
IE sets the standerds... it dosent follow them...

On Windows it sets new standards for bugginess, thats for sure ;-)

IE6's CSS rendering engine is fundamentally b0rken. Float something, give its parent div a background colour and BANG! The background colour appears on top of that div's contents. Yay!  :-?

[gnarly]

Tomas wrote:
Why do you think 95% uses it? Cause of webmasters like YOU! If webmasters followed the standards, then ppl would actually have a reason to change to a "real" browser like mozilla, which follows the standards, unless m$ themself starts following the standards then.

Hmmm... thats not why 95% of people use it. Its because it comes free, pre-installed on the machine that 95% of people buy...

Day in, day out, I make standards compliant websites that work perfectly in IE/Moz and Op7. The degrade gracefully to old/Amiga browsers too -  they just dont get to see the design. Its the way forward...

[mikeymike]

@ Ponos2D

As I recall, there will be Ibrowse3.0 for OS4, with all latest standards!

Considering how long it's taken armies of developers to get other web browsers to support all the latest, do you really think IBrowse can make such a jump from its state in 2.3 to 'supporting all the latest' in 3.0?  I think not.

And that's not having a go at the guys who develop IBrowse, it's just a fact.  If one browser has armies of developers behind it, and the other has only a handful, which is more likely to finish first?

[gnarly]

mikeymike wrote:
And that's not having a go at the guys who develop IBrowse, it's just a fact.  If one browser has armies of developers behind it, and the other has only a handful, which is more likely to finish first?

A web browser is never finished ;-)

I would love an implementation of Gecko over here on the miggy. I fear that we may need GTK+ or QT first though... (I might be wrong though)

Hey DaveP, didnt you start on a gecko port for OS3.9 a while back? Or was that an April 1st thread? ;-)