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Mediator PCI USB card
« on: March 30, 2006, 07:56:56 PM »
can the mediator run a normal pci usb card or does it have to be a spider?
The price difference is considerable
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 08:00:38 PM »
I have been trying to get OpenPCI.library + ArakAttak + PCI USB card to work but haven't got it to work yet. Maybe the PCI card is not supported by ArakAttack.

Openpciscan finds the card and it is recocnized by Trident.

Anyone here who have tried this and got it to work ?
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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2006, 08:12:52 PM »
i try a cheap (10 euro) usb2 with prometheus pci board, using openpci arakattack and poseidon stuck. all the software can communicate with the card but don't work because of known prometheus dma problems. at open pci site it says that 100% compatibility with mediator finished but it's not clear if the driver has released.
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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2006, 08:14:47 PM »
There is nothing like a 'normal PCI USB card' - there are different chip sets around and they do need separate drivers. If your card has a chip set that's not supported, you're outa luck. Maybe someone can tell you what chip set the Spider uses to get a similar card.
Just because Windoze has lots of different drivers already built in, doesn't mean that all USB cards have to work on any system.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2006, 08:26:40 PM »
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Openpciscan finds the card and it is recocnized by Trident.


that means that ArakAttack that works as a plug in of poseidon can recocnize the usb card too.
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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2006, 08:27:29 PM »
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Maybe someone can tell you what chip set the Spider uses to get a similar card.

Won't work. "Spider USB" is regular NEC USB card with modified PCI ID so that you can't buy one from your local dealer. The elbox driver is locked to check for the modified PCI ID.

In order to f*ck up anyone attempting to modify the driver to accept regular NEC USB cards (available everywhere), the driver was made to wipe out RDB of the system disk if modified. While the RDB trashing code was removed under public pressure, the driver still is locked to only Elbox Spider cards.

So, your're limited to "Spider USB" card or using some other solution.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2006, 08:37:15 PM »
Cool to hear - now I know what I'm not gonna buy if hell hasn't frozen over yet... :-o
In Germany this (destroying data or access to it) is absolutely illegal and would make them liable to a nice compensation
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2006, 08:38:20 PM »
now that's realy ''cheap pci cards to amiga'' policy...
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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2006, 08:52:31 PM »
This is just disgusting - I'm pretty sure I won't buy anything from Elbox ever - and I was very seriously thinking about a Mediator, or a Dragon if it actually happens to surface. :madashell:
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2006, 08:58:00 PM »
thanks everyone, ive just come back into the amiga world after a 10 year gap and cannot get over how helpfull everyone is
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2006, 09:01:02 PM »
i think that we couldn't servive in any other way all these years :-)
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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2006, 09:17:59 PM »
If you buy something from Elbox, they do however offer amazing technical support. I've always been satisfied with products made by them. There are certainly other choices out there that are definitely worth looking into, especially as far as USB cards go.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2006, 03:14:33 PM »
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Maybe someone can tell you what chip set the Spider uses to get a similar card.

Won't work. "Spider USB" is regular NEC USB card with modified PCI ID so that you can't buy one from your local dealer. The elbox driver is locked to check for the modified PCI ID.


This is MY opinion only, take it for what you will.

This is my biggest grudge against the state of the Amiga as it stands.

Here's the thing....
Vendors have been doing this for years, it's nothing new.
We have a similar situation on the Mac, we call it the "Mac tax" - a regular AGP graphics card for the PC (For arguments sake) would cost maybe $150. The Mac version, which is identical to the PC (In every way except the onboard VGA BIOS) costs at least double that.

Is that fair?

It's also the same with a few IDE controller cards, the PC only Promise Ultra66 for instance. It's the same card with only 3 SMD resistors moved around and a Mac BIOS, the price difference is astounding.

On to my main point, if you're handy with DOS and maybe some SMD rework gear you can transform the USB card into the Amiga equivalent for no more than maybe 30mins work.

Of course this raises ethical issues with the writers of the Spider BIOS, if it even contains one.

It's a catch-22 situation with both Amiga and Mac, people are willing to spend way over the odds for a card which truthfully has only minor modifications (Sometimes none at all), the developers/marketers know that they'll only sell a few to the Ami/Mac minority so they have to make their cash on the Amiga tax.
They also know that they have the market cornered which forces a lot of people out of the Amiga scene.

And you wonder why the number of Amigans is shrinking.

If you're willing to pay $60+ for what is essentially a $15 USB card, fair enough - you're supporting the developers.
On the other hand if these vendors maybe sold the card at a premium to the early adpoters, then gradually bought the price down over time, more people would buy it, they'd make more money and everybody would be happy. The "Gotta have it now" crowd would have their card, the developers would get their slice and the regular "I'll wait for the price to come down" guys would eventually get the card.

That's how the business model works in every retail situation and it does work.

I for one won't (and can't) buy something like the Spider. I don't have the cash and this USB card (In my opinion) isn't worth anywhere near what retailers are charging for it so people like myself have to get creative and if you have the skills it will save you a lot of money.

FYI - I have 2 identical cards sitting in front of me, one in my PC and one in my Mac, both working perfectly.
I bought them 2 weeks ago brand new for $15 each.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2006, 03:39:52 PM »
Just an addition regarding custom designed cards built from the ground-up for the Amigas.
These people put a lot of effort into making life with the Amiga better and my rant isn't directed toward them.
 

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Re: Mediator PCI USB card
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2006, 03:49:59 PM »
@Phonic:

Some very good points. Another sucky fact about Spider is that the whole point of owning a Mediator PCI board is to not have to pay premium prices on custom made Zorro cards. :-(