Why isnt OS4 available on other PPC hardware?

[KThunder]

people keep on talking about it though. just watch the forums for every "when is os4 coming out?" there is at least one "here is anouther part of aros completed and ready for download" they just completed ati radeon drivers.btw and just before that was nvidia.

[c64_d0c]

sure captain obvious....
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[KThunder]

i is a admiral, admiral oblivious

[Zac67]

AROS is definitely the way to go. Without hardware there's no AOS4 coming out, and there's no market for overpriced hardware that might - or might not - come from Eyetech.
AROS is progressing slowly. But it is progressing.

[melgross]

Kathyone wrote:
If you want to know about Apple, check out darwin.org
the core of the OS is open source, and hundreds and even thousands of apps have already been ported.

Amiga OS 4 should release the core as open soure then others could port the software themselves. Open source is better than commercial. Why do you think Apple used it for the core of their OS. BSD Free Unix. OS4 is superior. Hyperion doesn't even answer their emails, neither does Amiga, INc. They don't talk to their customers. Apple gives free developers tools.
They make a profit because everything is open source. It allows you to have thousands of programmers at your side without paying a cent. They only thing they have to pay for is the Gui and the parts they have added on which is also mostly open source based. Objective C certainly was.
They just packaged it intelligently.

Kathy, it's not that simple. Apple spends $100 million or so a year on their OS development. MS spends several times as much.

Apple subsidizes that with millions of machine sales a year, as well as several million retail sales of the OS. MS sells 200 million copies a year, retail, and bundled.

Both companies have other software as well.

The various Amiga companies have had what? No money in, no product out.

Yes, they should repackage this to run on a Mac Mini, preferably with Intel chips.

But, even obsolete Apple hardware is much better than obsolete Amiga hardware.

[Stefano]

It actually is that simple :rtfm: !!!

Open Source starts with close to nothing, just with what comes from the mind. Look at Linus Torvald's Linux. There are people making a living through the making/use or distributing of Open Source. Millions already.

It's just the stupids  :-? at Commodore, GATEWAY (I'm sure I forgot one or more) and finally Amiga Inc. that never ever got it, and most probably still don't. They, my fellow Amigans, are the ones that focus on maximum gain in minimal time and all crash and burn sooner or later.

They are also the ones that unfortunately still "divide and rule" our community. This and other fora prove that time and time again. We are the ones to stop them and just let them go.

Go for the Classic Amiga's of the past (uptil OS3.9) go for Aros, or go for Pegasos with MorphOS and Linux. Just go for one of them. Let OS4 go. The {bleep}S simply don't deserve our money after testing our patience for such a long time.

I'm a happy OS3.5 user and from time to time I still invest in software or hardware and I will use it 'til the grave. I've been using MacOS for work on the side. I've started to learn Linux with Ubuntu and I hope to get aquainted with the Pegasos in the next year or so.

But there is not one hair on my head, thinking about buying A1 or OS4. We should stop quarrelling amongst ourselves, face the music and dance!

If you second me, say AYE !!!

[uncharted]

AROS is not a magic bullet!

As much as I think Open Source is the way forward, there are issues that need to be thought about with AROS.

First and most importantly there needs to be a clear roadmap, is 3.1 the be-all and end all of the project?  What lies beyond.  (If this is already available, then I'd be greatful for someone to pass along a link)

Backward compatibility.  This one will rage as long as MWB vs.  Newicons I think ;-)  It needs some very serious consideration.  Sadly it's a reflection of our recent (and not so recent) history that we need to rely on old dead 68k stuff to make up a bulk of the software library.

AROS is not as advanced (functionality wise) as OS4/MOS.  Even though 68K and x86 users probably outnumber Peg/AOS users, we would need as many on board as possible.  There are a number of people out there that want nothing less than what is offered by the commercial offerings.

MORE APPS! - 'nuff said

How would a sudden rise in popularity affect AROS?  For a long time now, the AROS group has been relatively small (but growing).  Would a mass exodus, as seems to be suggested here, cause problems?  Would you suddenly get a huge number of people all pulling in different directions?  Would you start getting splintered development?

I'm glad people are activly thinking about the future direction of the platform, there's still life in it yet.  Just don't want people to jump the gun.

P.S.
Matt if you are reading, I've been meaning to reply to you excelllent post on MP AROS, but I've lacked the time to do it properly.  And it deserves to be replied to properly.

[Martin_Lee]

It seems to me that no one ever took AROS seriously, its like some ba**ard child hidden in the basement.

Users backed the commercial path because the potentional of quicker development and modern features. (? am I right)

But think if everyone had backed AROS and put their faith (and cash) in the Open Source model then we might have ended up with something more viable for the future

This is just my opinion on it. Im not saying Im right

But I dont think its too late.

Why is the AROS-exec forum so quiet?
Why arent more REAL amigians supporting this?
Why? tell me people!

[c64_d0c]

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[Zac67]

*ROFLLL*
very nice pic indeed! I love it!


I'm pretty sure, once AROS is done (whatever that means) it will develop further. OS 3.1 is an important milestone, the progress to something 3.9ish shouldn't take too long. 4.0 mainly adds portability, something AROS's had from the start. Taking AROS to 4.0+ will definitely take considerably less than the 12 years we've waited now.

[itix]

@Martin Lee

The problem (?) with AROS is that you cant run existing 68k software on it. You must be a developer to get something out of it. One could argue is existing 68k software really useful but at least it provides something to use...

I dont think anyone consider AROS is bad or something. It just loses to WinUAE (but there is AfA).

[KThunder]

i think aros is a magic bullet. there are just a few things that are needed at this point:  a good hd installer among other things. backwards compatibility is really that much of a problem uae is already ported to aros and most of the apps people would need would run fine. porting software to aros is not too difficult.
i dont think it really matters too much if os4 has more functionality, aros is actively openly being developed. and it is free. open source etc. anyone can develop anything for it and it can run on just about any hardware. none of that can be said about os4.
ok maybe it isnt a magic bullet, it is however the most promising bullet ive seen in a long time. look at all the projects that have been anounced for accelerators pci, usb and stuff, they just propetuate classic hardware. which is a good thing and has kept many witht this platform for a long time. but none of them provided a real future, a real nex'gen possibility. pegasos, boxer, amigaone and a few others tried but didnt get around one unescapable fact. none of us has the capability of producing respectable hardware for a nex'gen machine on par with anything considered modern.
here is the solution: dont. let pc hardware manufacturers sink billions int hardware development and lets use their results

[Savan]

This whole situation sucks, even censorship central (Amigaworld.net) members are expressing their disgust without being moderated down.

People are pissed off, there is nowhere to turn. The damn trio has made this whole mess happen and now the end result is, the people have gone from licking dog {bleep} from the trio`s boots to turning on them.

[dammy]

The problem (?) with AROS is that you cant run existing 68k software on it. You must be a developer to get something out of it. One could argue is existing 68k software really useful but at least it provides something to use...

To run 68K apps, you have to use EUAE.  Is that a bad thing?  There is a bounty for AROS UAE intergration.  It can use more $ or some developer to take on the bounty.  To most of the current AROS Devs, intergration is of low priority because they are more focused on native coding and EUAE is already ported.

Dammy

[itix]

@dammy

EUAE still loses on about everything to  WinUAE and editing text files in UAE is not funny (because your favorite text editor is not available and native offerings are crap).

When I moved to Pegasos I copied contents of my Amiga HD to Pegasos and continued using my favorite programs and tools (had to delete some). I could continue using system I was used to and it certainly makes it easier.

[Cyberus]

@ c64_d0c

Are ye gonna upload that picture to AW.net?
;-)


Go on! you know it makes sense!