Why isnt OS4 available on other PPC hardware?

[dammy]

Face it, the commercial viability of OS4 is zero.  Let us set aside for the moment of Eyetech contract for Amigas with Amiga Inc.  A1 sales prove there is no viable market left.  Peg sales reaffirm the market is not viable.

Cut back to Eyetech, they have a contract for AmigaOnes.  If Amiga under cuts Eyetech with a new contract, I wouldn't doubt Eyetech would take it to court asking for compensation.  I do question if Eyetech has ever turned over a royality check yet to either Amiga Inc or Hyperion from earlybird sales.  Regardless if Eyetech saw a profit out of those sales considering some retailers reportedly stiffed Eyetech.

Stick a f0rk in OS4, it's done.  Instead of whining about OS4 not being ported (it won't), you would be better off looking at alternatives or working on improving your native machine and it's OS.   :roll:

Dammy

[Doobrey]

dammy wrote:
 I wouldn't doubt Eyetech would take it to court asking for compensation.
..snip...
Regardless if Eyetech saw a profit out of those sales considering some retailers reportedly stiffed Eyetech

Hmm, didn't Coder mention a week or 2 ago on Amigaworld.net that Eyetech were currently in the middle of legal action ?

[dammy]

Dunno, I only visit AW if there is an link to a AW article from another site.  Otherwise, I never go there.

Dammy

[Legerdemain]

Stick a f0rk in OS4, it's done. Instead of whining about OS4 not being ported (it won't), you would be better off looking at alternatives or working on improving your native machine and it's OS.

Well, unless you are one of the people working on OS4 your comment means nothing to me. If not, you are not the one making the decision wether or not the OS will be ported to other platforms or not. Hyperion have hinted that they wouldn't mind porting the OS, or adapting it to other PPC hardware, but in the end I guess it is very much not their decision. And, that is all what matters to me since that is pretty much all one can 'touch', factwise.

My guess is that they rather would see that they have done this with some kind of 'future' of the OS in mind, rather than just releasing the final version and then just not bother what happens. I'm having a real hard time believing you spend a couple of years making an OS, just to satisfy the needs of some people craving to see an 'impossible' revival of something that was and never will be again.

The thing is, I am not stuck with my Amiga and I am not better off looking for any other OS since I already have what I need on my PC, probably going Mac sometime in the future. My interest in OS4 strecthes as far as the fact that I want to play around with it, and support it, on anything but obsolete and unavailable hardware (which I am not going to buy, expensive as hell, second hand). I can't support something that I don't see have a future, and by sticking to the A1 and some classic Amiga PPC-cards, I don't see a future. If PowerVixxen and Amy gets released and unlike the A1 becomes unavailable after a short period of time, well, then I see something worth supporting. If OS4 will be ported to other hardware, well, then I definitely see something that is worth supporting.

But what it all comes down to is the fact that there's a limit to much I am willing to spend on my hobby.

[Pyromania]

Amiga Inc. should allow OS4 to be ported to PegasosII & Efika ASAP. Say what you want about Genesi but they do manage to keep hardware available and flowing to customers and developers. Hell, many developers even get their hardware for nothing. Amiga computer politics suck. It just keeps our market small.

[Louis Dias]

Argo wrote:
But Macs are not PPC!  :lol:  

There are lots of reasons. Lack of documentation of the Mac PPC hardware, licencing issues, politics, fear of piracy, ...

Try a search of the forums here and at AW.net.

The piracy issue is a joke.  By the time piracy could be measured, there would have to be enough applications to justify the OS as the only one you need.  Since Hyperion would be supplying games for sale on OS 4, assuming they are copy-protected, pirated copies of their OS could still generate revenue for them in the form of game sales.  That's another way to measure piracy - let's say they sold 10 copies of their OS but 50 copies of a game for the OS...hmmm...

At it's current state, each copy of the OS could be serialized and OS updates could be made to function on registered copies only.  Requiring an internet connection for validation in this day and age is not unreasonable.  Anybody here of Microsoft's Genuine Advantage program?

Registering could be done by dealers at the point of sale.
If someone sells their system, an online interface on Hyperion's site could handle the licensing transfer.

Honestly, the only reason OS4 is not on another platform is EYETECH.  Time to repackage it as "KickStart/Workbench PPC 1.0" and eliminate the term "Amiga OS 4.0" and the sole hardware partner from the equation as well.

I have an even more novel idea:

Make OS 4 free yet retain all rights to it.  Then make money on licensed software sales.  Sort of like how consoles work.  Release OS 4 free on mulitple PPC platforms.  Who ever wants to download the install can - for free.  No applications included.  Sell developer's kits.  Sell software.

[maffoo]

Lando wrote:

Even if AmigaOS could run on Macs, who would bother with it when they have OS X with hundreds of times more features and thousands of times more software applications.

Perhaps, but what about people with older PPC Macs where OSX will only run very slowly, if at all? There are probably many people who would buy a copy of OS4 (if it were at a reasonable price) just to play around with it on an old Mac that they no longer use. This would vastly increase the hardware base for the OS, I have to say I'd probably get a cheap PPC Mac off Ebay so I could try it.

And just think, by installing it on an old PPC Mac laptop there would finally be a laptop Amiga that doesn't need UAE :-)

[c64_d0c]

the whola thing here is that amiga inc is choking aos4.0, their amiga users and hyperion... it looks like amiga inc is finally  trying to kill everything amiga related and them self in one go.

after the aos4.0 amiga inc told hyperion they are taking over and are gonna do everything in house.. as far we have seen what amiga inc is capable of. this tell us by now that there will not be any new amiga os after aos4.0, and we wil not see any new hw to run the ao4.0 on either..

amiga inc dont want YOU!... the amiga user.. they are only intressted in mobil games and other none related amiga stuff...

all we can do is sit on the fenc and see the amiga inc choke everything... we cant do nothing, they own the licence, they own the name...

bye bye amiga, rip 2006
________
Hurt from nexium

[Martin_Lee]

some very good points here


1. there is no reason why AOS4 couldnt be on macs except for:
2. Amiga inc are killing our OS
3. shouldnt we be focusing on AROS now?

[Wayne]

Defender of the Faith,

well..at lest we agree on some points !

ok..I think that OS4 is pure crap cause is a fantasy for kids that will be never realesed
For the most orthodox miggy users Aros will be the best choice

and Im not think that OS 3.x is obsolete
I use that OS all days under WinUAE
I use always AMIRC cause is the best irc client on any platform... and I use ibrowse under winuae only on amiga  websites like amigaorg,aminet,whdload site, and others
Im writing this text now on ibrowse under winuae under winxp
(I hate ibrowse cause it have tons of bugs but I use it anyways)
ahh...I use always Songplayer cause the sound of that mp3 player is wonderful under WinUAE




bye, Laser

[Kathyone]

If you want to know about Apple, check out darwin.org
the core of the OS is open source, and hundreds and even thousands of apps have already been ported.

Amiga OS 4 should release the core as open soure then others could port the software themselves. Open source is better than commercial. Why do you think Apple used it for the core of their OS. BSD Free Unix. OS4 is superior. Hyperion doesn't even answer their emails, neither does Amiga, INc. They don't talk to their customers. Apple gives free developers tools.
They make a profit because everything is open source. It allows you to have thousands of programmers at your side without paying a cent. They only thing they have to pay for is the Gui and the parts they have added on which is also mostly open source based. Objective C certainly was.
They just packaged it intelligently. Hyperion should just market the software and hell with the contract. It is an unjust one at that. I have contacted amiga inc. Silence so far. Status quo for every owner of amiga inc since Commodore Business Machines when it was a real contender run by real business men that anwered their phones and ran a professional operation. They actually made a billion a year.
I had no problems with them.

[KThunder]

there is a theme recurring in this and many other theads. many people are upset at amiga inc.s handeling of everything amiga. to heck with os4 even if it is released and released with hardware. not enough of us want it anymore to make it worth it. AROS is the future os for amiga and other hardware. it runs on x86, and 68k hardware it will run on ppc hardware it is being done right now, and it has a measurable amount of respect from most of the amiga fan base, which is much more than anyone can say for amiga inc. and os4

[Kathyone]

I think what we need to form is a company that is run by a real amiga enthusiast and programmer that knows how to run a business.  I have a copy of a letter I posted to amiga, inc.
on the technology licensing platform and a letter I am mailing priority mail to the last address I have for the amiga.
Action needs to be taken. Just complaining is for the birds. They are unresponsive. Bill Mc Ewen was not, whatever his mistakes.

He at least talked to the customers. They all missed the boat. why do you think their are affiliate programs in internet marketing. The principle is that the more people you have selling your product, they assume the marketing risk and you split the profits. A win/win situation. The way to market the amiga. Customer service is what killed Amiga, Inc. Apple provides it. Their stock is rising steadily. I hope these people from hyperion and amiga inc will read these posts like I asked them too.

[KThunder]

that is what is so great about AROS. the aros team is doing this just for the love of the machine and os, and they take lots of advice for people. even if they dont take your advice they provide all you need to do whatever yourself and contribute to the effort.
what do any of us have a say in in the dev of os4.... nothing

[Dr_Righteous]

So it's settled then... We the Amiga community have decided OS4/A1 is now defunct. AROS is now the way we're going. Thank you, buh-bye.

[KThunder]

people keep on talking about it though. just watch the forums for every "when is os4 coming out?" there is at least one "here is anouther part of aros completed and ready for download" they just completed ati radeon drivers.btw and just before that was nvidia.