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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2003, 09:25:00 AM »
the whole reason I got into the community again was because of the AmigaOne DaveP ... then it soured for me when I heard 'rom' and 'dongle' and whatnot bieng thrown around... and then a gust of fresh air...the Pegasos... but my point is that it is quite a big deal... it's not something to 'ignore...

 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2003, 09:26:10 AM »
@tmhg:

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Did you have any problems in finding a dealer with Pegasos'es in stock, or did you get one from Phoenix?


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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2003, 09:31:12 AM »
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mips_proc wrote:
the whole reason I got into the community again was because of the AmigaOne DaveP ... then it soured for me when I heard 'rom' and 'dongle' and whatnot bieng thrown around... and then a gust of fresh air...the Pegasos... but my point is that it is quite a big deal... it's not something to 'ignore...



What exactly does this 'dongle' on the A1 stop you from doing and in what way is the Pegasos any different?
The way I see it, at the moment, they're both in exactly the same boat. You can't run MorphOS on an A1 and you can't run AOS4 on a Pegasos.

Until that changes, your point is not only completely irrelevant but also misleading.

That's why I'm getting both!


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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2003, 09:54:28 AM »
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Wilse: That's why I'm getting both!
Am I going to have to come over there and take that Pegasos away from you, Wilse? ;  }

Seriously, I look forward to hearing some great music from you and seeing you cranking out audio for the apps and games developers. And it's been a pleasure making sure you and the others get what's coming to y-- er, get your Pegaoses ;  }

All the best,
<-- greenboy ---<<<<
 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2003, 09:54:30 AM »
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Wilse wrote:

That's why I'm getting both!


Hope to see the reviews soon :-)
 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2003, 09:56:58 AM »
Wilse wondered:
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What exactly does this 'dongle' on the A1 stop you from doing and in what way is the Pegasos any different?
;-) The way I understand it, AmigaOS 4 and later will look for proprietary code in the motherboard’s BIOS ROM at boot time.  If it isn’t there, it will not boot, and you can’t run the OS.

If a manufacturer wishes to add such code to his motherboards, so that his customers can run AOS 4, he will have to license the “dongle code” from Amiga, Inc.  The license will require that any board manufactured with such code onboard must be sold with a copy of AmigaOS 4, and not without it.

The sum of these two requirements is that anyone who CAN run AmigaOS 4 will already have a copy, so the pirate has no one to whom to sell his fifty or so burned “backup” copies of AmigaOS 4.

This decision was made by Amiga, Inc., who have more data than most of the rest of us regarding just how many copies of AOS 3.9 are legit, and how many are pirate.  Whether the decision to require “dongle code” on the motherboard is a wise decision or not is another matter, and goes beyond the scope of this thread.

:roll: It’s also been the subject for many flame wars on this and other web sites.

Genesis’ Pegasos doesn’t have Amiga’s code onboard, and so will not be able to run AOS4.  MorphOS does not require anything similar to Amiga’s “dongle code” and thus should run on an AmigaOne.  (Whether it will is another matter. Someone will surely try it and let us know.)
 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2003, 10:17:05 AM »
On the edge of going off topic again ... ;-)
MorphOS is Amiga done right! :)
 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2003, 10:22:17 AM »
Either way it is a spurious difference to most people and
only if you want to take up a political stance over it will you remotely care. If enough Peg/Peg2 owners want to run AOS4 on their Pegs then Im sure they can arrange with a reseller for the reseller to get a license.

However if you ARE interested in taking a political stance over it then Seehund put together a petition against it but I don't remember where it was. I know its in his sig so if you do a search for Seehund you will probably come to the petition.

Back on the review, can you make sure you run as many games/demos as you possibly can? Compile something, use StormC or whatever. One of the things that is going to sell or not sell these new PPC solutions is their ability to run existing programs that people have forked out wodges for.

Stuff like:
  PageStream 4.1
  Aladdin 4D
  Hisoft C++
  Storm C
  etc...

That requires money to get a license.
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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2003, 11:05:21 AM »
There are a couple of compatibility lists floating around. Here's a couple of links for anyone interested:

Link 1 (French) - English translation by altavista.
Link 2

I believe there is going to be a central list at some point in time.
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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2003, 11:38:18 AM »
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Stuff like:
  PageStream 4.1
  Aladdin 4D
  Hisoft C++
  Storm C
  etc...



Sorry, but AFAIK both AmigaOS4 and MorphOS will rely on GCC. Having those 68K (and WarpOS) target compilers is rather pointless IMHO. Again, AFAIK it's VBCC which has up to date target support besides GCC, but it's claimed to produce slower code (maybe easier to use and program for/with) and most importantly free.
 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2003, 11:43:39 AM »
Not at all pointless. Without this you will find it difficult to
write/build stuff for earlier Amigas.

If you cant use something system friendly like StormC and Hisoft C then MorphOS can't be up to much ;-).

I am sure that over time people will migrate to GCC but to start with they will want something familiar.

Tell me, what is to stop me installing Dice C on MorphOS and the includes from the Developer CD 2.1 and running a compile job?

 :-?
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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2003, 11:45:21 AM »
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Am I going to have to come over there and take that Pegasos away from you, Wilse? ;  }


Aarrgggghhh! :hammer:

Me locks the doors, boards up the windows and hides the peg..oh! It ain't here yet!  :-D

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Seriously, I look forward to hearing some great music from you and seeing you cranking out audio for the apps and games developers.


Indeedy-oh! I can't wait to get my hands on PSA and start putting it through it's paces.

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And it's been a pleasure making sure you and the others get what's coming to y-- er, get your Pegaoses ;  }


I appreciate it very much.

Cheers! :pint:

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2003, 11:49:46 AM »
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Not at all pointless. Without this you will find it difficult to
write/build stuff for earlier Amigas.


Why would you develop with something that has no support for your current OS? I doubt StormC or HiSoftC will support OS4 or MOS.

Back in the old days I abandoned MasterSeka assembler when I got my A1200 and used AsmOne instead - never used MasterSeka to write 68000 only programs on my A1200, as AsmOne was able to do that and of course had 68020 support too.

GCC and VBCC has support for 68K/PUP/WOS/MOS and surely will have support for OS4.
 

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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2003, 11:50:38 AM »
So in regards to this dongle stuff does it mean that AOS 4.1+ will have to be shipped with new hardware aswell? regardless of the fact that one already have a board with official OS? or is it going to be all boing bag stuff till each next major revision of the hardware?
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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2003, 12:00:08 PM »
@Warface

Because you might want to write stuff that works for more
than just the few hundred that own and run MorphOS.

Do the current ADKs and compilers with the new OSes ( osses? osssesss? damn plurals ) also have previous version of the OS support that is rock solid/stable and all the includes required?

Plus there is also the case where someone doesn't want to sit down and work out how to learn makefiles instead of using projects - or how to migrate from SAS for example. People like a gradual transition.

Actually I use HisoftC for project building and code editing and GCC for compilation anyway so it wouldn't be a problem for *me*.

The point being, just because you don't understand why someone would want to do it, doesn't mean that someone doesn't have a valid reason for wanting to do it *or* will not actually want to do it. :-D

Methinks you doth protest too much ;-)
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Re: Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)
« Reply #74 from previous page: April 23, 2003, 12:05:31 PM »
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@Warface

Methinks you doth protest too much ;-)


No way, I don't use Amiga C compilers at all, it was just striking and surprising to me :-) And still it is :-)

Someone will surely test them tho, as I'm rarely using C I don't have them. (StormC costs a fortune, dunno about HiSoftC) So it will hopefully turn out. :-)