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« on: April 16, 2003, 07:00:05 AM »
A JAVA VM

oh and a kitchen sink  :-P
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Re: Java
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2003, 07:01:16 AM »
ahh #### this was meant to go in another thread (os4 apps)
apologies
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Re: Java
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2003, 07:02:47 AM »
oh cool a language filter

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Re: Java
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2003, 07:07:53 AM »
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Re: Java
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2003, 08:24:32 AM »
@El_Duduarino

Hehe, your pic looks like a Monty Pyton animation.
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Re: Java
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2003, 09:01:45 AM »
Is a Java VM really needed on OS4?

Granted, they should probably develop (or someone develop for them) one that is optionally installable (or optionally downloadable?), but who here really needs a Java VM?  (not a rhetorical question, I'm interested to know if anyone actually uses/needs it on a semi-regular basis)

I think having one available to install should you need it adds a bit more attraction to the platform, the fact that it supports something like that.

The only time I can remember using Java for anything was for the ADSL speed test at adslguide.org.uk.  I think I can safely say that was the only occasion in the last 3 years :-)

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Re: Java
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2003, 09:04:14 AM »
Java is not *needed*. A good class library, good documentation
and a good C/C++ compiler is *needed*. Fortunately they
are all present for AOS4.
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Re: Java
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2003, 09:17:35 AM »
A JavaVM is desperately needed. And I'm not talking about J2ME stuff like in AmigaDE/AmigaAnywhere/... .
With an uptodate JavaVM (J2SE 1.4.n) we would instantly get lots of applications from the Java domain for 'free'.
There are Office suites, all kind of IDEs, games, graphics and sounds utils ... you name it.

It would be a big mistake (tm) not to have a full Java implementation on the Amiga.

But, this is going to be a huge project.  Not a one man show.  

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Re: Java
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2003, 09:24:46 AM »
I use JAVA on an almost daily basis, there is a lot of apps that are able to bridge the Gab between diffrent systems. And the best part is - Most is Free or shareware.

example: check out the Excelent Titan clone Colossus.  :-D

But its not all sunshine. JAVA uses a LOT of system power; RAM, CPU-time and then applets are not small.
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Re: Java
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2003, 09:26:54 AM »
@ Santa

why is a Java VM "deperately needed"?

IMO, we'd be in a very desperate situation (hopeless, actually) if we had to rely on new applications to come from the Java domain...

And it would be nice to actually see a Java app that doesn't suck performancewise (well, more GUI responsiveness rather than 'performance', but they're kind of the same bag).
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Re: Java
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2003, 09:27:17 AM »
There are many people who will speak for or against Java, for many various reasons.

But, objectivly speaking, I'll agree with Santa. There are lots and lots applications written in Java.

My self, if Java will be available in OS4, I can easily replace my linux box at work.
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Re: Java
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2003, 09:33:08 AM »
@ MrZammler

Would you want to replace your linux-natively-written apps at work with apps under Java emulation though?

I'm not on this thread to speak for or against Java, I'd just like to hear people say why /they/ want Java with AmigaOS4 (be it in the various availability options I previously suggested).  To me, to do otherwise is a bit like say "I really need a Spectrum emulator on AmigaOS4!"  "Why?  Oh, erm, I just want one!"

Even if people just want to say "I use Java for x purpose from time to time", that would be interesting/useful to hear.
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Re: Java
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2003, 10:06:24 AM »
Java is getting very cool, and fairly powerful. As well as automaticaly gaining lots of free apps, you would also attract Java developers, -and these days there's a hell of a lot of them ( what with most modern mobiles and PDA's having it built in) giving us more kudos+ developers/purchasers, and perhaps seeing the A1 deployed as a business solution for Java developers. It's also a fairly nice language to start learning on, with the pleasure of knowing you can take the app/game you have written to a work/college/interview and it will work.
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Re: Java
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2003, 10:15:33 AM »
Subjectively I agree with the persons saying we should have Java, especially since I am fiddling around with it atm ;)

Sincerely,

Kenneth Straarup.
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Re: Java
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2003, 10:39:39 AM »
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Would you want to replace your linux-natively-written apps at work with apps under Java emulation though?


There are only a couple of good desktop applications, although more are coming, since JDK1.4 speeds up GUI a lot more and also has full-screen, hardware accelleration etc. So more games will start appearing as well.

But that's not where java is strongest. Think about Jakarte-tomcat, Ant and a lot of other server/developer-applications.

I am a professional java-developer and I would love to work on Amiga One.. I can't, because java is not available. I'm forced to use Windows and Linux instead.
I use java and java-written tools on a daily basis... One of the best client-applications with Swing-interface is the editor/IDE I use ... IntelliJ's IDEA. It is a resource hog, but it is also fast, responsive and is a very good overal IDE.

Oh.. and it could bring JaZilla (java version of Mozilla, currently in development) to Amiga as well.

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