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Hi everybody!!
« on: February 05, 2006, 05:54:31 AM »

Well, this is going to seem strange, but heeeeeeeeeeeeere goes.  I'm Stan, a very loyal, dedicated Amigaphile who for the last oh 12 years or so has swallowed his pride and sold his principles ... but enough of thst Micro$lop crap.

My frist love has been and always will be my Amigas, and I've owned 4 of them over the last 2 decades... my original Amiga in 1986, a duplicate of that Amiga in 1992, a 1200 slimcase in ohhhhhhhhhhh 95-96 I think, and a 2000 IN 2000. :)  Why I hven't kept any of them I'm ashmed to say I don't know, but what's done is done.  My love for this little babies has always been around.  I've stood by them through Escom, Gateway, wondering when the next owner-du-jour would let me down.  But this is a happy post, I promise :)

I'm going back to my first love and getting an A1200 tower system.  I eventually plan to use my Intel system only for games that aren't available on the Amy.  A friend and I are getting ideas for our respective systems, and any ideas/recommendations would be GREATLY helpful!  :)  See, told you it was happy :)  Not one to wait for OS4, I'll be content with 3.9 on a classic A1200 system, and I intend to add a PPC board later.  For the initial purchase\, being a poor grad student, I think a Typhoon or Blizzard 1240 with 16 meg or 32 meg would do me just fine.  Justin, my friend, brought up somthing I'd forgotten about though.  Gaming.

I can't rememebr if the AGA chipset would run the older games such as Starfleet (Interstel), Battletech, Archon, etc.  Or games in general,pre-AGA,  I don't think it would, though.

Also wondering about internet speeds and new AV abilities.  This was always one of the Amy's draws for me.  what kinds of graphix accelerators and/or monitors would anyone recommend?  I'vegot a spare SVGA monitor...

Okay, thqt's enough rambling for now.  It's great to be back among real computer users again!!  

Catch y'all later,
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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 06:03:57 AM »
Welcome!  I'm just getting started myself right now.  I'm about to get my 1200 to get started but I don't think I'm going to tower mine just yet.  Still a bit undecided on that one.  

I'll try and keep posting on my return too.

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2006, 06:08:54 AM »

Oh you're in for a TREAT and a half!!  The Amigas are simply the best.  period.  Don't care what the day'sayers have to blabber on and on about.  I wouldn't tower mine but for the fact that eventually it's gonna be my main machine and for that I need at least a DVD-RW, USB, PCI slots, and memory.  Tons and tons of RAM.  A classic case just wouldn't work.
 

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2006, 06:28:36 AM »
welcome aboard mates. wish you good luck with your redemption. a word of advice though. You may find it frustrating that a classic amiga can not perform to all your demands as a main machine today. Especially writing DVD's (what I suppose DVD-RW is for). If you want the Amiga to be your main machine, consider new generation alternatives, Amiga One (not available right now, an alternative board called Troika is on the way) or Pegasos.
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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2006, 06:30:23 AM »
Hi, welcome to the forum.  There have actually been a few similar queries to yours quite recently, so you should have  a look around to check some other answers.

Graphics cards: Picasso IV and CyberVisionPPC seem to be very popular, though there are others.  These two are probably the most expensive.  You should also have a look at flicker fixers/scan doublers.  If you can't get one of these built in to your graphics card, you will probably want one to display native 15kHz screen modes on your SVGA monitor.

For gaming, check out WHDLoad, to install games onto hard drives.  The 1200 can handle pre-AGA graphics, but I think some games may look for older ROM versions.  If you are using Workbench 3.5, you will need 3.1 ROMs.  I think a lot of older games, which are still very good and popular, were written for 1.3 ROMs, or others.  I believe WHDLoad avoids that problem, as well as having all the games conveniently located on a hard drive.  There are also options for loading different types of ROMs into memory, which may be OK if you can't use some particular game with WHDLoad.

As far as internet usage is concerned, many people are happy with broadband connections with 10Mbps ethernet cards, at least as far as downloads, email, ftp, IRC, etc are concerned.  However, web browsers are not Amiga's strong point.  Also, if you want to look at content such as movie previews online, you will probably end up doing so on your PC.  Generally, Amiga browsers are not updated frequently enough to maintain compatibility with current protocols and content.  This is unfortunate, but it's a small market on aging hardware, afterall.  The 1200 has a PCMCIA (I think version 1, or 1.1, but not version 2) slot, which can take older notebook ethernet cards.  This is a really convenient feature, as they are cheap, and plentiful, secondhand.

As far as 'new AV features' go, remember that these are classic machines, and will not generally compete with comparably priced PC's.  There are PCI expansion boards available, which can take Voodoo 5's etc, but I haven't used them and can't comment on their capabilities.  I believe there are some software compatibility issues.  Amiga's used to be leading the AV field, but that was some time ago.  People still use A4000's as video workstations though, and I think one person on the forum also uses a CD32 running SCALA to do video jockying in clubs, etc.  He is very pleased with the capabilities of his system.

If you want to replace a PC completely, I would suggest a PPC/060 accellerator, and the best graphics card you can get.  Otherwise, performance and features will probably dissapoint you.

Something else worth playing with is WinUAE.  The current version is an excellent emulator of the classic Amiga hardware.  You will need a copy of ROM files and Workbench disks to use this though.

The highly modified classic Amigas are still capable of pretty impressive tasks, and a lot of people enjoy using them.  If you can't afford to expand a system heavily, I expect you probably will end up still using your PC for a number of duties.

Have fun, and see you round the forums,

Oli
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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2006, 06:40:38 AM »
Amigas are what you make of them... To modernize one will require quite a bit of capital, which will of course be a must for anyone wishing to use one as their main box.

I've not run across anything I wanted to use that would not run on an AGA system... Except for a recently written demo that was written to very tight WinUAE A500 specs (it crashed on anything containing FastRAM or non ECS chipsets, ie: only usable under WinUAE or an A500). I don't believe most games and apps are that picky.

An Elbox Mediator is certainly a must... With a Voodoo3 video card and a compatable network card (for your DSL/Cablemodem). A scandoubler would be wise... A video switcher (or dual-input monitor) between the scandoubler and your Voodoo3, so you can see both AGA and RTG screens. USB interface, of course, with registered drivers. Compatable sound card as well. Start saving your pennies for a Blizzard... You WILL need it sooner than you think... Like when you start thinking about MP3s!

All the things I wish I could get myself... But don't have that kinda cash. Then again, I'm unlikely to ever try to use my miggy as my main box. Too expensive, especially for my A4000D. Alot of fun as a second tho!

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 06:53:31 AM »
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Hi, welcome to the forum.  There have actually been a few similar queries to yours quite recently, so you should have  a look around to check some other answers.


I have been looking indeed!  and I wonder if a mod can move this post to the appropriate thread?

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Graphics cards: Picasso IV and CyberVisionPPC seem to be very popular, though there are others.  These two are probably the most expensive.  You should also have a look at flicker fixers/scan doublers.  If you can't get one of these built in to your graphics card, you will probably want one to display native 15kHz screen modes on your SVGA monitor.


I remember my 2000 had a GVP board in, and when I used my Toaster the system would switch over to the 1080 monitor I had attached to the main unit.  I had a PCmonitor hooked up to the GVP card.  That was a funky setup.

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As far as internet usage is concerned, many people are happy with broadband connections with 10Mbps ethernet cards, at least as far as downloads, email, ftp, IRC, etc are concerned.  However, web browsers are not Amiga's strong point.  Also, if you want to look at content such as movie


You ain't kidding!  The aforementioned A2000 I put OS 3,5 on and it may have been teh measley 7 meg of RAM I had but man was it ever SLOW.  I could start browsing a webpage, go out to Red Lobster for lunch and come back, and the browser still would be trudging along.  yeah I know, OS35 on an original 2000?  well, modified a TAD, of course.  but still...  I expect the 1200 will be a little faster, with the broadband connection.

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If you want to replace a PC completely, I would suggest a PPC/060 accellerator, and the best graphics card you can get.  Otherwise, performance and features will probably dissapoint you.


I said eventually.  I have no illusions about still holding onto my  Intel box (which I mainly use Linux on... hehe) but it would be nice to eventually get back to my college days and only touch one of the Losedows systems if I hgave NO other choice.  And about WinUAE:  I have it, and Amiga Forever.  Like both.  I even have *looks around* Amithlon and AmigaXL.  they just cant replace the real thing.

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The highly modified classic Amigas are still capable of pretty impressive tasks, and a lot of people enjoy using them.  If you can't afford to expand a system heavily, I expect you probably will end up still using your PC for a number of duties.


Like I said, the Windows box willstay around anyway.  Until I get a USB connection for the Amiga when I DO get it, my printer will be useless.  And I know HP doesn't make drivers for the Amy.... oh well.

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2006, 07:05:56 AM »
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Amigas are what you make of them... To modernize one will require quite a bit of capital, which will of course be a must for anyone wishing to use one as their main box.


Color me nostalgic.  I remember a time when it wAS my main box.  

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An Elbox Mediator is certainly a must... With a Voodoo3 video card and a compatable network card (for your DSL/Cablemodem). A scandoubler would be wise... A video switcher (or dual-input monitor) between the scandoubler and your Voodoo3, so you can see both AGA and RTG screens. USB interface, of course, with registered drivers. Compatable sound card as well. Start saving your pennies for a Blizzard... You WILL need it sooner than you think... Like when you start thinking about MP3s!


Oh sh*t, MP3s... it's utterly amazing what you take for granted on a modern box, isn't it?  And I intend to acquite this system piecemeal anyway, as we poor grad students can't even afford a cup of coffee. the Blizzard and Mediator will come later on.  Course, if I wait TOO much longer I may as well GO with OS4 :)  Cuz it'll BE here.  Supposedly.

Notice I aint holdin my breath.

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All the things I wish I could get myself... But don't have that kinda cash. Then again, I'm unlikely to ever try to use my miggy as my main box. Too expensive, especially for my A4000D. Alot of fun as a second tho!

Welcome back to Amiga, welcome to Amiga.org!


Thanks, and I'm glad to be back!  If I winbd up being unable to use her as my main box, she'll be a fun second.  This is going to be one helluva year.  My first Amiga got me through college.  Will this one get me through grad school?  I dunno...  probably not unless I can get it to run SuSE.  hehe
 

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2006, 01:01:28 PM »
When people say they won't use their Amiga as their main machine I'm a little puzzled as to why this is...

If you satisfy your craving for the latest 3D games on one of the cheap games consoles then you can surf, burn, program, paint, write, design, game, broadcast and whatever else on Amiga. If the web is slow then get IBrowse2.3 as it seems very good at ignoring the Javascript that has crippled web-browsing on sites like eBay over the last few years.

Back on the subject of gaming though and an A1200 with a relatively cheap 166MHz PPC/'040 combo could let you play Wipeout 2097, Quake, Myst etc. The AmigaOne appears to have Quake 2; Pegasos Quake 3.

TurboPrint will let you use the very latest 5760-dpi photo printers and I think Frying Pan lets you burn DVDs (don't quote me on that though). CamControl will let you download images from a digital camera and there are USB adaptors that can fit into A1200 desktop for flash pens, scanners etc.

Oliver: I think the A1200's PCMCIA port may be v1 & v2 but not v3. Don't know about the A600.
 

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2006, 01:27:12 PM »
Welcome, both of you.
You will love it here!


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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2006, 01:45:24 PM »
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When people say they won't use their Amiga as their main machine I'm a little puzzled as to why this is...


I guess that depends what you do most.  I have to use MATLAB, LaTeX, MSWord, Excel, Access, pspice, LabVIEW, and Protel, which are a little problematic on the old miggy.  I guess my Amiga are really hobby machines for me.  If I could afford to improve them, then I would certainly use them a lot more.  I like a lot of features of Amigas, but they unfortunately just can't meet very many of my computing requirements.  I think it just depends on what you need though.  Right tool for the right job.

edit- The Amiga community is probably also a major reason why I still enjoy the Amiga experience.

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Oliver: I think the A1200's PCMCIA port may be v1 & v2 but not v3. Don't know about the A600.


Yes, sorry, you are quite right about the 1200.  I was confused about the standards.  I think the 600 has the same version 2.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2006, 02:53:47 PM »
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When people say they won't use their Amiga as their main machine I'm a little puzzled as to why this is...


I guess that depends what you do most.  I have to use MATLAB, LaTeX, MSWord, Excel, Access, pspice, LabVIEW, and Protel, which are a little problematic on the old miggy.  I guess my Amiga are really hobby machines for me.  If I could afford to improve them, then I would certainly use them a lot more.  I like a lot of features of Amigas, but they unfortunately just can't meet very many of my computing requirements.  I think it just depends on what you need though.  Right tool for the right job.


Come to think of it, the reason I got into computer science as a profession to BEGIN with was the miggy.  So as for things like Matlab/Mathematica, I suppose an overly-ambitious project would be write ne for the Amiga.  hehe
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edit- The Amiga community is probably also a major reason why I still enjoy the Amiga experience.

Me too, and Im checking out Troika as a possible board too, now.  But that'd still mean waiting on the OS release so sod that :)  I want somethig I can USE!
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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2006, 04:08:55 PM »
Uhm, Hyperspeed.

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When people say they won't use their Amiga as their main machine I'm a little puzzled as to why this is...


Probably because alot of use don't have very expensive Amiga setups. I mean my 4000's only have a 68040/40 still in them followed by my 2000 with the 68020/whatever is in that one.  

My XBox box was nice for some games, but the developers had to dumb down quite a few of the games to fit in the 64 megs of memory that is shared with everything else in the system.  Before my last motherboard went poof, I was sitting pretty with at least 768megs of memory dual channel, with a agp 8x video card with it's own memory. Add on that I had at least 200GB's plus of storage and it far beat my XBox for complexity.

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Re: Hi everybody!!
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2006, 05:13:08 PM »
justthatgood? You have... a PC?

To quote the old guy from Robocop: "Dick, I'm very dissapointed!"

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