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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #44 from previous page: April 14, 2003, 06:29:36 PM »
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At least the contents of the CAM is beginning to be released to
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Yes, the "paid for press releases." ;-)

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2003, 11:34:41 AM »
What the! On the home page the is a news article about a web site that has an icon that sort of looks like a boing ball, and you say this isnt news worthy?

Any excuse you use to say a Q&A with someone high up from amiga-inc is not news worthy is just that, an excuse! perhaps it really is just because its on amigaworld.net. Am i questioning your motives? hell yes i am...

So, try and explain to me exactly where you draw the line on what a news item is. I dont think theres any chance of justifying this one. Of course you can go and remove the news item now and explain it of as an oversight.
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2003, 11:41:52 AM »
A newsitem had to be "news" by telling something that is "new"
to the readers.

Neither the fact that fleecy answers 10 question is news nor
so the answers themselve contain anything "new" ...

A.org has had the "look it looks like Amiga"-funnies from
day one, but sofar I haven't seen any routine-news here.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2003, 01:18:32 PM »
@kronos

Excuse. and not a very convincing at that.  To prove me wrong you will need to tell me that you new EVERY SINGLE ANSWER to all 10 questions beforehand. i didnt think so. Even if you did, i didnt, and i doubt many people did, As you would have already read in a previous post of mine in this very thread i came away with more information than i started with by reading the Q&A. ie, it was *new* to me. Hence by *your own* standard it is news.

But so nice of *you* to determine what *i* find interesting. You'll have to do better than that...


By the way, you will notice i havent posted this in the replies to the news item, as i dont feel i need to join the ranks of whining tossers and spoil someone else's otherwise enjoying read by polluting it with sarcasm and insults, which you will notice entered this thread long before i did. Oh, and another thing kronos, i didnt say that the look-a-like funnies was not news worthy, i implied that the Q&A is more newsworthy and i stand by it. Unlike others here, just because i dont find a particular topic interesting doesnt mean i need to feel threatened, spew crap and try ang get it removed as a news item. I dont find DE or MS related topic interesting, but its very rare that i would try and have them removed.
 

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« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2003, 01:48:48 PM »
@teo,

It's really rather pointless to argue here.  

Please keep in mind that this was the entire staff's decision, not just mine.  It was also supported by a majority of those who felt strongly enough to post a comment in the last news post item.

The fact is simple.  The site's active majority voiced the opinion that the weekly -- or biweekly possibly -- questions and answer sessions with Fleecy are simply not considered "news" items any more.  They are not banned from the forum discussion, as a matter of fact, this is where I tried to recommend that they be placed so that they could be discussed by all (as they should be).

As I have stated numerous times (but everyone likes ignoring what I actually say) this doesn't have a whole lot to do with what he says, it's the fact that he is interviewed so regularly.  

How would you like it if someone sent you an e-mail every single Sunday reminding you to brush your teeth?  Brushing your teeth is something you already know to do, and the e-mails would soon be ignored and lose importance.  

Similarly, most of the active members here feel that they already know the answers to the questions that Fleecy is answering, so it loses importance after the first FIVE WEEKS or so.  If the majority felt he was giving real, non-"marketing babble" answers to real (non-"cherry picked") questions, that would be different.  As with anything "Amiga", your mileage may vary.

Such regular interviews make this much more of a free advertising issue and further the barely hidden agenda of Fleecy, Mike Bouma, and Luca Diana to "rid the world of the nuisance that has become Amiga.org".  (direct quote)

As I have stated, and you have all ignored, I don't have anything against either DaveyD or AmigaWorld.net.  That is to say except for the fact that specific members there are being used as Amiga Inc's personal propoganda machine.  That's their choice and I'd never wish to interfere, but at the same time, I feel no compulsion to actively support such activity.  

On a personal level, I do not feel that blind support of a product or company (any company, even Tivo) is helpful for the community, nor does it help solicit new sales if that product ever gets released.  

As you see now, "blind faith" has turned a large part of this community into angry skeptics.  If you want to know why this has happened, look no farther than Amiga Inc's mis-management of community relations.  In my experience, as well as my opinion, had Amiga Inc come out and actually made an effort to make us feel like we were an important, active part of things, we would not be in this mess right now where Amiga sites feel like they end up competing for the crumbs on the floor.  That would have cost Amiga Inc nothing, and saved them everything.  

Considering that the community is the only thing I have ever cared about in this situation, if you think I can ever overlook their actions and "forgive" them for the harm they've caused, you're sadly mistaken.

... but I digress.  The subject was whether or not Fleecy's weekly interview is to be considered a "news" item on this site.  The answer is no.
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2003, 02:15:19 PM »
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Desmon wrote:
Q. Why hasn't Amiga.inc stepped into the Amithlon/Umilator argument and taken on the distribution themselves? Surely the biggest money spinner in recent Amiga history deserves not to be flushed down the toilet.


That is such a great question Desmon asked, how Amiga Inc could have let such a great best seller product go to the grave without even fighting for it is just stupid, but then again were not talking about a professional company.
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2003, 02:19:12 PM »
@wayne
> It's really rather pointless to argue here.

Indeed it is, however my resolve is to let people know that the worst thing about this community... is this community. To be honest, getting the Q&A in the news section doesnt really rate on my care-o-meter that much. Letting people know that the constant whining is getting tired is more of a priority, and ill spite myself to do it.

Is a-inc to blame, in part, yes, but dont think its responsible for the entire problem, and certainly not to the degree people like to tell us. The times i have said the following is probably up into the double digits now, but its the bitch fighting that has ruined this once pinnicle of communities. Are you doing anything to promote the bitch fighting, no. But are you doing anything to resolve it, no. You just let the cheap shots continue. So whats the plan from here then? How do we move on and go forward as a community? I dont know! thats your job, but i do know that letting it continue the way it is, is certainly not the answer.
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2003, 02:42:28 PM »
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How would you like it if someone sent you an e-mail every single Sunday reminding you to brush your teeth? Brushing your teeth is something you already know to do, and the e-mails would soon be ignored and lose importance.


@Wayne:
Judging by your avatar it is hard to believe that you brush your teeth only Sundays. :-?

I know, I know.. this is a moronic comment, but when you have taught basics of Java for 6 hours to people who have never programmed...  I need beer.
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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2003, 02:53:27 PM »
@teotwin,

say what you want about the community, but most
people in this community didn't steal $50 from
other members in this community.

Amiga inc...took $50 from other members, in some cases some people gave them up to $150 total...the coupon offer, was based on the idea the only thing left to do was to determine how many AOne's they needed to build...ahem, except we know now they weren't even ready.

And that offer, was made after a storm of criticism made over their sale of partypacks $100 that time, that people criticized because they sold it suggesting that OS 4 was on time and rockin, and we still do not know when OS 4 will be ready today.

Thats not a news item that can be posted everyday, but it sure can be not addressed and ignored by AI everyday....

The fact is, you can sit there and say, I want to get past the fact that people were ripped off.  But how are we going to do that, Amiga, Inc. hasn't publicly apologized, they haven't made amends, they haven't declared bankruptcy (to legally account for debts owed that can't be paid)....

There won't be any getting past the issue until Amiga, Inc. addresses the issue.

Sure I hope they will address the issue by giving everyone the value of their coupons, even if its years late, and they borrowed the money under pretense...I think at this point they will still be forgiven if they just return the money, but...I don't see that ever happening, truthfully.
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2003, 03:06:01 PM »
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Paul_Gadd wrote:
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Desmon wrote:
Q. Why hasn't Amiga.inc stepped into the Amithlon/Umilator argument and taken on the distribution themselves? Surely the biggest money spinner in recent Amiga history deserves not to be flushed down the toilet.


That is such a great question Desmon asked, how Amiga Inc could have let such a great best seller product go to the grave without even fighting for it is just stupid, but then again were not talking about a professional company.


It looks as though this question will be asked  :-) .
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2003, 04:33:35 PM »
@Loki1,

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We are all just a bunch of UNDEAD Amigans yearning to go into the light (AOS4)!


Hey, at this point we're SuperUndead! :)

Amiga: The Ultimate Undead computer is back (RSN)

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2003, 04:40:04 PM »
@quenthal,

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Judging by your avatar it is hard to believe that you brush your teeth only Sundays.


Don't knock Buddy Jesus :) (very funny movie, even if I'm sure I only got about 60-75% of the jokes- Theology isn't my stong subject)

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Don't we all- and OS4! :)
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2003, 04:47:32 PM »
@teotwin,

While I agree with you broadly, Amiga.org is Wayne's project and, ultimately (and righly IMHO), he gets to make the calls.

On the other hand, maybe we should use those voting polls to make decisions (or at least a non-binding referendum) for issues that seem to be so controversial. I know these things are open to fraud, but there’s ways around that, or at least minimize it.  

Zoltan
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2003, 04:58:30 PM »
@MarkTime,

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The fact is, you can sit there and say, I want to get past the fact that people were ripped off. But how are we going to do that, Amiga, Inc. hasn't publicly apologized, they haven't made amends, they haven't declared bankruptcy (to legally account for debts owed that can't be paid)....


I understand your angry, but, really, are you asking looking for a refund? or how about waiting for the product the coupon is for to be released.

Since you seem to believe they are near-bankrupt, then I can see where you're coming from, however, a company can't secretly declare bankruptcy AFAIK.

Did you buy a coupon yourself? If so, you've been waiting a long time; what's another 2 months or so at this point?

Zoltan
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2003, 08:33:48 PM »
@Zoltan,

Where did you get 2 months from?

You see, the problem is, people have been making up dates for years.....2 months turns into 2 years.

OK, its always 2 months away, it has been 2 months away for going on 3 years.

You really think something is different about this 2 months?  There is nothing different.  And your people at Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion could say it is 2 months away, if they wanted....they won't even say its this year.

No I didn't buy a partypack or coupon, never considered it for a moment...I just get tired of seeing my friends having their money taken from them.

That is my right.  I am not angry, I am just don't believe people who tell lies....why does that make me angry?

it doesn't...its just common sense not to trust Amiga, Inc...not a sign of anger.

Peace and love,

MarkTime
 

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Re: Week 5 of the Q&A with Fleecy is now available.
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2003, 09:39:08 PM »
@MarkTime,

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Where did you get 2 months from?


It's not an exact date, what I was trying to say is that if you have been waiting for OS4 since 3.9, then if we have to wait another 2 month or 4 months then I don't worry about it.
As someone once said, "If you can't do anything about it, don't worry about it."

I do follow the updates Hyperion give, and they've given me no reason to beleive they're making this stuff up.
From the sounds of it, most of the big parts are largely done, so, based on that I'm guessing it won't be too much longer.

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No I didn't buy a partypack or coupon, never considered it for a moment...I just get tired of seeing my friends having their money taken from them.
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it doesn't...its just common sense not to trust Amiga, Inc...not a sign of anger.


I see what you mean, there's a lot of companies that can't be trusted, but Amiga's not quite WorldCom.

Zoltan