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accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« on: April 08, 2003, 02:13:57 PM »
I'm back with my banal questions, but you guys are soooo helpful! I wondered if anyone had any advice....
I've acquired an A2000, just the base machine.
Do you think I'm better off just seeing if I can pick up a bog-standard SCSI controller to start with, and then perhaps look for some kind of accelerator? Or do all the better accelerators come with good SCSI controllers anyway?
I've been looking at amiga-hardware.com, and there are some 060 accelerators that look inviting :), but even old A2000 hardware goes for a ridiculous price on ebay... I didn't realise there were so many Amiga enthusiasts with loads of money out there!
I'm toying with the idea of getting rid of a lot of my amigas and just having a nice A2000 and my A1200(T)....
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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2003, 02:30:18 PM »
Hi,
Most modern (040/060) A2K cards have SCSI on board, Some even have ethernet I think.
Have a look at Vesalia.de as they have cheap (although is a £180 card cheap? I guess so as its a massive card) 060 card with SCSI on board.
 

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2003, 03:51:59 PM »
why not upgrade the a1200 instead of the a2000?

You mentioned it was towerized already (a1200(t)), so why bother with the a2k?

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2003, 12:09:11 AM »
@Cyberus

Congrats on you new A2000!  Mine started out as a garage sale purchase for $25.00, no keyboard or mouse included.  So far its got an '060 Blizz with 128 meg ram, OS3.9, 4gig HD, CDRom drive, CGX card, and in internal flicker fixer.  Had an A1200 I bought on Ebay and got rid of it.  Heard that A1200 Tower hacks sometimes were not so friendly.  As far as I'm concerned, this A2000 does everything I want and then some.  It's by far the most expandable of the "Big Box" Amiga's.  Have fun with your's, you made a good choice.  By the way, the A2000 is also probably the most "repairable" of the Classic boxes. :-D
 

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2003, 05:44:25 AM »
the best A2000 accel out there, in my opinion, if you can find one, is the DKB Wildfire 060, because not only does it have lots of RAM capacity, but it also has an '060, SCSI *and* Ethernet built into it - and the ethernet is RJ45, not older coax.  Miami supports it, probably OS 3.9 does too (although I only have OS 3.1 on mine).  It goes in the CPU slot so you don't have to waste a zorro slot and it doesn't get in the way of other stuff at all.

Other good cards include the Blizzard 2060 (probably almost as rare and hard to find) or there's a couple 040 cards (Warp Engine, I think is one) that are also good at 40mhz.

The main thing with 2000s is that even with a graphics card (these days unless you can find a used PIV and you want to cut it to fit (because on an A2000 unlike A4K's and A3K's, you have to) you are likely going to use a CGX64/3D like me, because that's one of the only ones left out there to find (the GVP spectrum is another choice but not near as good or fast).  The CGX64/3D is a good card, but also unlike A3k, A4k or A1200, you have to usually put up with 1mb Chip RAM, unless you can find yet another DKB product, the MegaChip, which adds another 1MB Chip Ram -

if using OS 3.9 this isn't nearly the hassle as with 3.1 or earlier, because you can map much of workbench, etc. into Fast RAM via config settings at bootup.  In the case of the older OSes, no go - I run into this when even using TVPaint and I want to open a large digi-photo or something, I run out of chip ram and it tells me to free up memory (unlike Winblows, running out of ram on an Amiga in many cases merely gives you a message, not a fatal error or brutal hard-drive swapping, in part because the Amiga generally can't use virtual memory anyway).

But otherwise, I agree with the previous poster, the A2k is one of the best to deal with, FAR better than the A3k desktop (oh the humanity!) even though the A3k has that cool flicker fixer and likely faster SCSI on board (a2k doesn't have SCSI on board).

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2003, 06:27:09 AM »
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A2000 hardware goes for a ridiculous price on ebay... I didn't realise there were so many Amiga enthusiasts with loads of money out there!


I know!  I'm still hunting for an affordable graphics card, but everytrhing is simply out of my price range! Though the Cybervision 64/3d at Vesalia is tempting. Not to mention that I still need to get a new accelerator, cd-rom, new hard drive, and the costs just skyrocket.  

I'll probably be selling my A2000 in the next one or two months and will probably just go for an A1. Unless of course the Coldfusion project is ready   :-) .

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2003, 09:56:24 AM »
Thanks for your replies guys.
One of the reasons I asked about the A2000 is that I saw one going on ebay (green screen :-) ), 3GBP no reserve..., and picked it up for 10.50GBP in the end (which I s'pose is about 15USD). I always wanted one of these when I was a kid, and now I have one!
I wouldn't be an Amiga fan if I worried about things being outdated. You wouldn't ask someone who works on and drives his classic Jaguar E-type why he hasn't sold it and bought a newer car would you!

Anyway, I've been doing a bit of reading on the 'net about the wildfire card, and yes, I WANT ONE! But the chances of finding one and not having to pay through the nose are so low.... As I was saying before, even if I did find one on ebay for example, these people always seem to come from nowhere and bid stupid amounts of money. I saw someone buy the Blizzard 1260 on ebay the other day for 200GBP! I'm sure you can still get a new one cheaper from Vesalia!
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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2003, 12:35:01 AM »
@amigau

You mentioned mapping WB into fast ram, etc?  Any chance you could briefly tell me how to do it?  My OS is 3.9, with 128meg ram.  I'm really lacking in the software part of the Amiga, I'm more at home with a soldering pencil or metalworking tool.  Best regards!

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2003, 06:07:52 AM »
I can't remember exactly where it is, but there's a setting in OS 3.9 to pick the type of memory you want to use for Workbench, icons, etc. - it's in one of the new Prefs utilities in OS 3.9 that's not in one of the earlier OS versions.  It's really easy to do, just check those utilities until you find it.

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2003, 04:04:23 PM »
Sort of on topic here. Is there any way to expand the original SCSI hardrive controllers, for those A2000s that came with Hardrives? In other words, can I set it up to control more than one device? (like HD, and CD)
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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2003, 05:45:58 PM »
You should not need to "expand"  a SCSI controller on an Amiga. The 2091 used in the A2000 HD supports 7 devices unlike IDE that supports 2. You only have to make sure each scsi device has a differnt SCSI id (set up usually by jumpers on the device). Even external SCSI diveces are supported, like Scanners and external CR_Roms and Zip and Jaz drives. :-D
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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2003, 07:22:14 PM »
I second Kevin's adviceAvoid the GVP Spectrum, it's a pretty mediocre graphics card.  In adition, stay away from the GVP/Tekmagic 2060 accelerator.  The 68060.library supplied is very old and very buggy.  You can read more at The UnOfficial GVP-M A4060/A2060 Page
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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2003, 07:59:09 PM »
So all I need is a SCSI cable that'll hook up to more devices then, Hmm, that and a CD with drivers.
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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2003, 01:09:05 AM »
I don't think you have to avoid the Tekmagic accel., just some bad software.  The amiga university a2000 webserver uses one, after all and it's been completely reliable over the 3+ years it's been online.

Get the later Phase5 68060.libraries and use those instead.  But you still have to use the tekscsi.device or you can't mount the drives, unless you have yet ANOTHER drive controller (here, i'd switch and use the buddha and go with IDE).

http://www.dcecom.de/downloads.html

just get the 68060.library from DCE's website (but don't send them a card to repair :)

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Re: accelerator/SCSI controller for A2000
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2003, 02:10:50 AM »
@amigau

Thanks much Kevin, I'll look in the Prefs drawer and see what I can find, thanks again for the help, it's much appreciated!


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