Looking for a new home :-)

[Plaz]

@nicomen

Wow all these years and I don't think we've ever crossed threads before. Thanks for the help on that cross compiler some months back.

You difinitly have keen insight to fourm politics too.
I've been on amiga.org so long I can't remember when I started. My 2002 join date is just the last time the site was attacked and rebuilt. Wayne when did you set up amiga.org originally?

@thread

Any way I've seen the tide rise and fall so many times on AO, AW, ANN, and Moobunny I hardly notice any more. Passions do run high some times and it's sad when attacks get personal and some choose to leave. Redrumloa comes to mind. Typically I've agreed when moderators step in, but I don't normally agree when I've seen entire threads deleted for the sake of a couple of over reacting posters. I think its a good idea to lock an out-of-control thread some times, but deleting it entirely seems extream to me. But then I don't have the job of a moderator.

Things have calmed down lately across most of the normal sites, but there is always going to be some nim-rods who enjoy gettting a rise out of the "good net citezens".

Plaz

[Seehund]

lorddef wrote:
The thing is that every board gets the odd tosser as a moderator now and then, however most are excellent.

But one board seems to have handpicked the most infamous abusive zealous close-minded barely literate fanatics for moderator duty. The people who were among the most disliked trolls also before "the exodus" are running the show. Yes, tossers is the word. When choosing these people, it seems to have been more important that they were "red" trolls (i.e. an embarrassment to AmigaOS4 and its community) than that they were trolls period.

The people who any sane board owner would possibly consider for moderator duty are a tiny minority of the staff there. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two moderators there who are up to the task, but I'm not a frequent visitor to that site any more.

[Seehund]

AmiGR wrote:
I absolutely disagree with what happened there but I also disagree with something else:
- A MOS user breaks a rule and gets suspended and no one cares. (The way it should be, really).
- Some other certain people break a rule and get suspended and suddently it's all oh-so insanely unfair...

Partial sight.

I'd put it somewhat differently:

- People who don't agree with the moderators get suspended/banned/their posts moderated without violating any part of the TOS. No one on the site in question cares, the world outside the cult points fingers and laughs at the site.
- People actually violate parts of the TOS, this time too blatantly and one time too many to get away despite being of "the right conviction". Suddenly it's all oh-so insanely unfair...

There's an AW.net member who's whining over at Moobunny right now (blaming the "side" he thinks of as "enemies" for his suspension...). Almost every last one of his outright insane ranting and raving posts about Blue Conspiracies et c. have broken the AW.net TOS, but his insanity was always of "the right kind" so he got away with it and was encouraged until recently.

I have no problems with seeing a site enforcing its Terms Of Service. I can avoid a site if their TOS don't suit me. I do have a problem with the publicly posted TOS being arbitrarily applied or ignored in favour of the moderators' personal biases. I have a problem with a site that officially claims to be an "Amiga Community Portal", but doesn't mention in its TOS that "Amiga" only refers to "Amiga, Inc. and its licensees and licensors, and disagreeing with them or discussing other things is a 'secret' TOS-violation".

[Savan]

That site should be called AmigaONEworld & AmigaOS4world or anything else, instead of pretending to be for everything Amiga.

Welcome amigaoneproductions and enjoy freedom of speech.

[DonnyEMU]

I am from the U.S. and I don't live in the UK, I am used to hearing a lot of wild things at a lot of web sites. In the USA we learn to filter what we read and try to distill reality from the many fictions that we can read everyday.

I too quit posting there, after posting something to the effect that some Amiga folks out there can't see reality of the market vs some fictional account of how they want it to be. One of the board operators there felt I was making a personal attack, even though I didn't name any poster by name and it was just a general comment.

So I felt that this didn't match my freedom of speech so I took it to the main operator of the board. He told me that this definitely wasn't a place of free speech and I had to either go along with what they were saying or I would be removed. I have worked as a board operator for several major companies in the past in the USA and I am not a newbie poster, nor would I make a flame comment directed at someone specifically.

Rather than argue the freedom of speech thing, or reveal who told me to "shutup" because that TOO violates their Terms of Service, I decided never to post on that board again. It's very obvious that they don't like conflict or any negative publicity relating to new Amiga products and honestly the policy seems like one of a company that is using the site as a publicity mechanism rather than an independent free focal point of community.

I am over that whole mess over there and will no longer post. It's interesting for me to see other people having the same problems with what we'd call censorship. My friend who is a law student here at the University of Michigan who is from the UK tells me that censorship and telling you what you can and can't say isn't welcome in that country either.

Of course what do I know I am just the UGLY American, and remember my country invented the Amiga in the first place. With friends like this, the Amiga platform certainly doesn't need enemies and it's turned me off of buying an A1 and OS 4.

[humppa]

Seehund wrote:
The people who any sane board owner would possibly consider for moderator duty are a tiny minority of the staff there. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two moderators there who are up to the task

Wegster! If there is a balanced moderated on AWN who expresses his views in a well-considered way, than it's definately him! He is the reason why I have not completely given up browsing through their forums.
I guess Mikey_C is NOT the second one you mean!? ;-) :lol:  

[Seehund]

humppa wrote:

Seehund wrote:
The people who any sane board owner would possibly consider for moderator duty are a tiny minority of the staff there. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two moderators there who are up to the task

Wegster! If there is a balanced moderated on AWN who expresses his views in a well-considered way, than it's definately him! He is the reason why I have not completely given up browsing through their forums.

You read my mind.

I guess Mikey_C is NOT the second one you mean!? ;-) :lol:  

Why not, he was elected "moderator of the year"!!!!111 or some equally otherworldly title.

Nah, I was thinking of Coder. There could be more, as I said I'm not frequenting the site any more, but it's the majority consisting of totally unsuitable moderators and their actions that are noticed.

[amigaoneproductions]

I guess Mikey_C is NOT the second one you mean!?

Let's NOT make this a personal attack against AW staff members,  that is not the reason I came here.

I have no personal gripes with any one person at AW,  only the general methodolgy that is used by the mods as a whole.  I have met with many of the staff and they have a difficult job to do,  I just don't happen to agree with the way they are doing things at the moment.

[Zero]

Welcome dude  :-)

[humppa]

amigaoneproductions wrote:
Let's NOT make this a personal attack against AW staff members,  that is not the reason I came here.

Matter of fact is, that the main reason why you came here is the way how SOME moderators on AWN behave. It is not caused by the site in general or by their community. Thats why I found it ok to mention the moderators I like on AWN and who, in my opinion, is mainly responsible for the downfall at AWN.
 

[cecilia]

humppa wrote:
Wegster! If there is a balanced moderated on AWN who expresses his views in a well-considered way, than it's definately him! He is the reason why I have not completely given up browsing through their forums.  

Amen!!! Wegster is a very cool dude. :elvis:

I'm fairly fed up with being treated like a "child", but I just don't post very often. I go there to find out how things are going with OS4 and to help people out when they ask questions I think I know the answers to.

but it's not a fun place.

AO, on the other hand is often VERY fun. and the moderation is very subtle and evenhanded.

[Hattig]

I'd noticed Mikey C being overzealous there regarding MorphOS, deleting and closing threads.

The moderation over there is too paranoid. Whatever they may claim, there is solid anti-Genesi/MorphOS moderation, and some people will remember me as not being on the Genesi side ever in the past.

Fact is, if they're making hardware and doing stuff, they'll have more announcements.

You cannot hide behind terms and conditions, and the site will learn this to their detriment in the future. People will leave because they want to discuss things, and as AW.net becomes more fascist they won't be able to do it there.

Idiots.

[opi]

Hi guys! I decited to move back to AO, too!

Where do I sign for free beer?  :rtfm:

[Piru]

@opi

Damned! I had to pay for my beer aswell!

Oh well, Cheers! :pint:

[redfox]

@amigaoneproductions

Hi Paul.  Welcome back.  :-D

Like some others here, I visit several sites, so I don't spend all my time here at amiga.org or over at amigaworld.net.

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redfox

[opi]

@Piru

 :pint:
 But that's the last one, I'm going to be goalkeeper today at the match. ;-D