Miami Any News?

[wheels]

Any news from Holger about registering or updating Miami? Any other options for LAN type users?

JLW

[Plaz]

Many, many threads and discussions have circulated over the past years about Miami and Holger. The quickest and most painless answer to this timeless question has been to upgrade your classic amiga to OS3.9 - It has it's own built in tcp/ip stack. Holger has not responded to registration request in years.
Here's a link to the features page... Haage & Partner (AmigaOS)

There was another package called netconnect3 that gave any 3.x amiga tcpip, but I don't know if that's still available. There are still shareware versions tcpip stacks on aminet file servers, but they have demo limits.

Plaz

[fx]

Yes, go for AmiTCP or Genesis instead of Miami. It's much faster. Only thing I can think of that AmiTCP/Genesis can't do that Miami can is NAT (and DHCP but I think there is a 3rd party DHCP client for AmiTCP/Genesis)

[Plaz]

And as I understand it, Genesis is what they call the AmiTCP based core of OS 3.9. OS 4 is called Roadshow if I'm not mistaken, but I don't know if that's still based on AmiTCP or not.

Plaz

[Piru]

@Plaz

And as I understand it, Genesis is what they call the AmiTCP based core of OS 3.9.

Not quite. Genesis is the GUI for AmiTCP/IP. The actual AmiTCP/IP kernel is used unlicenced in AmigaOS 3.9.

So in a sense every AmigaOS 3.9 copy sold is illegal.

[patrik]

It would be great if it would be possible to still buy the real AmiTCP.


/Patrik

[Plaz]

Interesting, thanks for clearing that up. So even when I buy a legit OS3.9 copy, I'm still a pirate. The good news for me then is that I have my own reg'ed copy of Miami. So what is the status of Roadshow in OS4? Is that one legal now I hope? If OS3.9 has illegal copies of Amitcp, then why no legal action? NSDI just didn't have the $$$ to persue? Seems this is a similar story of licensing problem with H&P that lead to the end of Amithlon. Not a good trend.

Plaz

[Plaz]

It would be great if it would be possible to still buy the real AmiTCP

Might have been if H&P had payed up for the license?
I hope OS4 is free and clear of such problems. (I think it is)

Plaz

[wheels]

The real purpose of my Miami question was finally to submit that if there is no developement of Miami and if Holger Kruse (who I talked to many years ago in Saint Louis) has no real interest in the program or the community (which is completly understandable, he's moved on) then why doesn't some one who has a registration code just publish it so the rest of us can use the program normally.

If someone complains (like Holger) then we'll invite him back into the community and ask him to start registering his program again.

JLW

PS I'll check out Genesis as well which I've never gotten to work.

 

[Piru]

@wheels

The real purpose of my Miami question was finally to submit that if there is no developement of Miami and if Holger Kruse (who I talked to many years ago in Saint Louis) has no real interest in the program or the community (which is completly understandable, he's moved on) then why doesn't some one who has a registration code just publish it so the rest of us can use the program normally.

Because it is piracy.

See Posting Guidelines.

[Plaz]

I'm afraid without Holger's permission, passing copies of his reg codes just isn't the good answer. Let me pose this question though. I don't recall the license details, but is it possible to buy a used code from a user that doesn't want or need it any more? (Not mine, I'm using it) Piru, you seem to know alot on the subject, is there any remaining legal registerable tcp stack for the classics? No Miami, no Genesis/AmiTCP. I don't see why Tomi shouldn't continue collecting $$$ registration for AmiTCP.

Plaz

[chris]

Roadshow is based on (a port of) the BSD sockets implementation - as are all Amiga TCP/IP stacks.  It is an independent port and not related to AmiTCP in any way.

[tldaley]

Roadshow is also 68k based, not PPC.

Currently it is only available to OS4.0 beta versions, but Olsen has stated that it will be available to 68k Classics eventually.

Ciao, Trev Daley.

[Argus]

Any performance figures for Roadshow on 68K available?  I mean for the varous cpus out there (68030, 040, 060).

Good news if it becomes available for sale.

You guys also forgot TermiteTCP (which I'm using right now).  It was made by Oregon Research and may be still available legally for purchase from US dealers, at least.

[olsen]

Argus wrote:
Any performance figures for Roadshow on 68K available?  I mean for the varous cpus out there (68030, 040, 060).

I haven't tested it on a plain '030 system yet. My typical test machines were an A3000T with a WarpEngine '040 board and an A3000UX with a CyberStorm '060. Compared to both AmiTCP Genesis and Miami/Miami Deluxe (with and without the special MNI drivers) Roadshow outperformed the competition by quite a bit. In a LAN with a 10 MBit Ethernet card (the original Ariadne, as made by Village Tronic) I got a sustained data transmission speed of 977 KBytes/s out of the A3000T and up to 941 KBytes/s out of the A3000UX. AmiTCP Genesis and Miami/Miami Deluxe never got to more than 820 KBytes/s on the same hardware.

To a good part the memory performance is responsible for how fast you can move data around, which is why the A3000T with the WarpEngine is faster than the A3000UX with the CyberStorm. But it also helps how the I/O handling inside the TCP/IP stack is designed and how high the overall processing overhead is. The Ariadne also has a very large transmission FIFO, which is a luxury the newer cards such as the Ariadne II or the X-Surf don't have.

Good news if it becomes available for sale.

Getting closer and closer. I never imagined how difficult it would be to get a product out like this. All that's missing is the GUI for managing the dial-up and DSL connections. The manual's ready (it covers the entire functionality, and even has a chapter on the firewall and NAT, with examples and a tutorial), the SDK is ready, the software has been ready for a very long time, the web site's there (www.roadster-tcpip.com) but it's still not online.

If you want to help in getting the product on the street this year, hassle the web master ;-)