AOS4 & Amigaone

[wonea]

Hello,

I've been looking at AOS4 and I want it.  Feed up with my slow Mac.  Is it going to be released this christmas?  If so, I need a cheap AmigaONE.  >£600 is WAY too much for a casual layman.


Regards


Wonea

[Martyn]

In order :-

So do I.
I would be too!
It certainly looks like it now.
So do I.
It definitely is!

M

[wonea]

I've seen some pegasos's going cheap.  Would these be able to run AOS4, or am I chancing death?  MOS looks okay, but checking out morphos.net makes me think its not worth bothering.  Plus I remember an interview with Carl Sassenrath about him not getting paid, plus someone from either FreeBSD or OpenBSD not getting paid.  Should I be giving money to a company like this?

Amiga Inc don't seem trust worthy either, but Hyperion seem committed though I'd like to see more web presence.

[wonea]

Why exactly is the AmigaONE twice the price of a more powerful Pegasos?  Who can afford those prices?  I want an AmigaONE.

[Piru]

MOS looks okay, but checking out morphos.net makes me think its not worth bothering.

Well, the claim that "Any new version of MorphOS for the Pegasos won't happen before the above counters reach zero" is not true. Mr Gerber can't stop new MorphOS releases, and there has in fact been already two releases since that claim. Obviously unpaid people should be paid, but this is not stopping MorphOS development.

Plus I remember an interview with Carl Sassenrath about him not getting paid

Sassenrath non-payment isn't related to Pegasos or MorphOS, but Viscorp.

plus someone from either FreeBSD or OpenBSD not getting paid.

It was Dale Rahn and OpenBSD.

Should I be giving money to a company like this?

I haven't heard of any end user being mishandled by them, and at least they have a working guarantee system (broken systems are getting replaced/fixed).

Agreed, the company isn't all roses, but the product is solid.

[wonea]

Thanks for the info.  I have an obvious question.  Which one will you go for, if any?

AOS4 or MorphOS?

[SamuraiCrow]

@wonea

For a cheap AmigaOne alternative that will be out soon see the Troika website.

-edit- Piru is a developer of MorphOS so don't bother asking.

[Piru]

@wonea

Which one will you go for, if any?

Being one of the MorphOS developers I obviously went for Pegasos on MorphOS. I have Pegasos I (G3@600) and Pegasos II (G4@1000) (My computers).

What you should go for depends on what you need, the available budget and other factors, such as hardware availability. I suggest you read more about both systems, visit www.amigaworld.net and MorphZone. If you're unfamiliar with MorphOS, An Introduction to MorphOS should answer many of your questions.

Obviously I personally prefer MorphOS, but everyone should make up their own mind.

[bloodline]

SamuraiCrow wrote:
@wonea

For a cheap AmigaOne alternative that will be out soon see the Troika website.

-edit- Piru is a developer of MorphOS so don't bother asking.

Don't bother asking what?


I think the original poster should go for a MacMini... and protect his software investment.

[cecilia]

a pegasos can only run MorphOS - and some linux distros (mine doesn't, but I have a Pre-April peg)

Carl Sassenrath was owed money years ago and so are a bunch of others more recently. Altho the details are quite complex. Someday the book will be written.  :lol:

while I personally don't trust most companies, like you I am impressed with amiga developers who write the software. I've seen OS4 continue to grow and improve daily. if it's possible, try to see one in action at a user meeting.

i'd love to get an amigaOne or Micro or whatever is being made, but i just don't have the money. anyway, it's very difficult for people in the US to get these. here or on amigaworld.net you may be able to find people near you to see one in action.

[Tigger]

wonea wrote:
Hello,

I've been looking at AOS4 and I want it.  Feed up with my slow Mac.  Is it going to be released this christmas?  If so, I need a cheap AmigaONE.  >£600 is WAY too much for a casual layman.

OS4 is not done, AmigaOnes are not available and there is a good chance they won't be available again, so I think AmigaOne with its hardware flaws is a bad idea.  Troika is supposed to be coming, it gets away from MAI's flawed part, so it should run better then the AmigaOnes, however the OS is still not done, why buy a computer to run an incomplete unfinished OS thats 3 years late at the moment.   If it gets done and Troika's are running well, look at it then.   WinUAE outruns them all if you need to run your old software faster, ImageFX is really fast and would have been even faster if AI hadnt killed Amithlon.   MorphOS computers are cheaper, better and the OS runs more older programs then OS4 at this point, so if its a compatibility issue, OS4 is the low one on the totem pole.
     -Tig

[MskoDestny]

Tigger wrote:
OS4 is not done, AmigaOnes are not available and there is a good chance they won't be available again, so I think AmigaOne with its hardware flaws is a bad idea.  Troika is supposed to be coming, it gets away from MAI's flawed part, so it should run better then the AmigaOnes, however the OS is still not done, why buy a computer to run an incomplete unfinished OS thats 3 years late at the moment.

Done seems to be a rather arbitrary metric at the moment. It seems that OS4 is complete enough that Hyperion can declare it done whenever they feel like it. Besides more 3D drivers, I don't particularly see what's not done at the moment.

WinUAE outruns them all if you need to run your old software faster, ImageFX is really fast

Petunia seems pretty fast from the videos I've seen. I suppose if you throw a fast enough machine at it, WinUAE is probably faster since current PCs are quite a bit faster than either of the PPC new "Amigas."

MorphOS computers are cheaper, better and the OS runs more older programs then OS4 at this point, so if its a compatibility issue, OS4 is the low one on the totem pole.

There's always E-UAE for stuff that won't run in OS 4's OS native emulation.

Of course there's always AROS. It's not as far along as either MorphOS or OS4, but it's free and runs on plain PC hardware. It doesn't have built-in emulation, but it does have an E-UAE port.

[Thomas]

I've got both and I cannot say which one is better. I more like AmigaOS but this is my personal opinion.

Trying to be objective they are just differet but none is better. MorphOS is an AmigaOS clone and AmigaOS 4 is AmigaOS. If you come from AmigaOS 3.9, you will see that in AmigaOS 4 everything still is where it was while MorphOS introduces a lot of new concepts (from a user's point of view). On AmigaOS 4 you can immediately start to work as you always did while on MorphOS you first have to search this and that. If you liked AmigaOS's concepts, probably AmigaOS 4 is fine. If you always thought that some parts should be different, perhaps you like MorphOS more.

Regarding trolls like Tigger, they always tell that MorphOS is done and AmigaOS4 is not. Well, from my subjective opinion AmigaOS 4 pre 3 feels much more "done" than MorphOS 1.4.5. There are many points in MorphOS where you bump against a wall because it either lacks expected features or just is not finished. I cannot help but on AmigaOS 4 I never had such an experience.

Bye,
Thomas

[Lando]

SamuraiCrow wrote:
@wonea

For a cheap AmigaOne alternative that will be out soon see the Troika website.

It "will be out soon"?  Can you post a link to where you read the release date?  I'm interested.  Thanks.  Oh, and a link to the new pricing info would be nice too.  The currently quoted projected price "Less than £400" on the website is still horrendously expensive (more than either the Micro-A1 or the original A1 cost).  If it was "less than £200" (which is still very expensive for such an underpowered board) I may give it a second look.

[Tigger]

Thomas wrote:
Regarding trolls like Tigger, they always tell that MorphOS is done and AmigaOS4 is not. Well, from my subjective opinion AmigaOS 4 pre 3 feels much more "done" than MorphOS 1.4.5.

I'm sorry Thomas, but I am fairly sure calling me a Troll is against the policies of the website.  I didnt say MorphOS is done did I.  Ben & company keep preaching that there product is not done yet.  I dont think anyone should buy an OS that is described by those selling it as "not done yet".   It doesnt really matter because at this point there is no new hardware available that runs OS4.  I really dont care about MorphOS, if he wants a PPC solution however he can buy one now unlike the current AmigaOne solution.  And Genesi's hardware is better then the Teron boards, sorry but MAI's chip is busted thats why everyone except Eyetech dumped them.  We didnt do it because it was fun, Rockwell didnt do it because it was fun, the Barbie folks didnt do it because it was fun, the part has flaws, lots of companies had to drop them because of it.  When/If new hardware is available (Troika as I mentioned), it won't have the flaws and hopefully will have better prices and OS4 may be an alternative, but right now if he wants to run his current amiga software, one of the UAE clients will run it fastest (on a cheap x86), followed by Pegasos boards (which are available at faster speeds then the currently non-shipping A1's) followed by used A1 because new ones are not available.  Thats not trolling, thats the facts in the current situation.    
    -Tig