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EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« on: October 12, 2005, 04:30:34 PM »
Hello all,

A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion on whether or not to buy the internal Scan Doubler/Flicker Fixer from Eyetech.  I can't remeber who finally ordered one, but I did the same.

Unfortunately, Hurrican Rita buggered up my plans a bit, I only got electricity back last week and the mail started being delivered again last Saturday.  Anyway, yesterday I found my package from eyetech in my mailbox and installed it.

First of all, the Eyetech internal SD/FF (ADPT-VGA-INFF2)is, according to the instructions, is a "Scandoubler ScanMagic".  The device itself consists of the SD/FF which clips over the "Lisa" chip, an attached VGA port that you can stick out the back of your A1200 or screw neatly to the rear of your tower case and another "clip on" chip cover which is not mentioned in the A1200 instructions but is shown in the A4000 supplement sheet (which is a blurred photocopy of a photograph which doesn't clearly show what chip it should attach to or what the orientation should be).

The main SD/FF clips on to the Lisa with the VGA port ribbon pointing towards the back of the A1200 (towards the video out ports).  You have to push VERY hard to clamp this sucker on.  I have my A1200 in a Power Tower and the motherboard bends alarmingly as you wrestle with it.  Another problem is that there is a chip marked U30 which stops one side of the SD/FF from sitting perfectly flat on one side.  You MUST press down as hard as you can otherwise it wont connect to the Lisa correctly and your colours will be screwed up (the SD/FF will be bent slightly upwards by this chip when installed "correctly").  If your colours are screwed up then power down, press harder and switch back on.

The attached socket which is not mentioned in the instructions has to be fitted for the SD/FF to work and should be attached to the "Alice" chip at U2 (closest to the front of the motherboard).  The 2 wires that lead from it and back to the main SD/FF should be pointing back towards the rear of the motherboard.  This is important, because it can fit on in 4 ways, but will only work in one position.  Another problem I encountered was my "Power Flyer Gold" IDE card.  Part of it clips onto the "Gayle" chip next to "Alice" and prevents the socket being attached.  If you have a Power Flyer then remove the socket off "Gayle", fit the SD/FF socket onto "Alice" and then refit the Flyer socket and press down HARD.  It wont be able to go all of the way down, but (in my case) it makes the connections and functions perfectly.

I hooked up an old HP monitor and powered up the system.  After apply more pressure to the socket covering Lisa, workbench was displayed.  Using preferences, I decided to crank up the resolution and tried "PAL Super Hi-Res Laced" (1440 x 566 with 256 colours) and hit "USE".  Well bugger me!  The display came up and looked pretty damn good except for the grainy font effects which is probably due to the poor monitor not being meant to display a horizontal resolution that high.  I eventually settled on a "PAL Hi-Res Laced" display.  The colours look good, the screen is stable and there is no flicker.  The bottom line of pixels is missing, but I remember this same thing on my A2000 using a Zorro SD/FF many years ago so it may be common to all scan doublers.

All in all, a nice product and it does the job.  Fitting it to a towered A1200 or A4000 should take 5 minutes (once you work out where the socket covers are meant to go).  Fitting it to a stock A1200 will mean fiddling around a bit more (removing FDD, HDD, keyboard cable, etc) and the shielding.

In my case, I also got a free "Alan Redhouse" autograph on the padded envelope!  That was surely worth the 94 quid alone.  Cheers Alan!  ;-)

So, if you want to use a VGA monitor on an A1200 or A4000 then this is the product to use.  Get one while they're still in stock.  Thanks Eyetech.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2005, 04:47:20 PM »
Good to see everything's working :-)

I've got one of those on my A1200T aswell.  The only gripe I've had with it is that the instructions were pretty naff.  I had to ask on here what chip the second socket had to clip onto.

The same happened with the diy tower I got from them - I had to ask on here about the blue wire and the scotch lock.

Crap instructions, but good quality products :-)
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 05:09:42 PM »
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Crap instructions, but good quality products :-)


LOL.  Exactly.  I was looking at that second connector and thinking that it is 6pm here in the USA and midnight in the UK.  In the end I just tried it on the Alice chip in a couple of different orientations and it finally worked.  :-)
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2005, 05:11:50 PM »
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The bottom line of pixels is missing, but I remember this same thing on my A2000 using a Zorro SD/FF many years ago so it may be common to all scan doublers.

It's not.
 

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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2005, 06:58:24 PM »
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It's not.


I must just be unlucky then.  Anyway, I can live with one missing line especially if it's the very last one.

I also have to add that the picture looks a hell of a lot better than my A3000 using the same monitor.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 07:30:35 PM »
CONGRATZ!!!

I got the same one and unfortunatly it does NOT fit at all in a A4000T w/o major hacking...

I'm trading it for an external one but hope to be in the land of One monitor soon  :lol:
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 07:43:22 PM »
Too bad that those things isn't able to show the AGA colours as they are supposed to be shown. Fades and/or extensive use of blue and green looks awful... =/

Let's hope that the talked about project concerning producing new ones that support 24bit instead of 16bit (8:4:4) will one day become reality.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2005, 08:00:04 PM »

Wow how fortunate you are to have actually convinced eyetech to sell you something!  I've tried for weeks with no reply.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2005, 08:07:59 PM »
Darrin, thanks for the detailed install instructions! I just bought one of these used and it should be here in a few days. I had no idea how it was to be connected, but now I do and I know what to expect from it.

Thanks again,
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2005, 11:08:52 PM »
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CONGRATZ!!!

I got the same one and unfortunatly it does NOT fit at all in a A4000T w/o major hacking...

I'm trading it for an external one but hope to be in the land of One monitor soon  :lol:


Thanks for that info.  The picture I have of the A4000 installation must be from an A4000 desktop.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2005, 11:12:23 PM »
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Too bad that those things isn't able to show the AGA colours as they are supposed to be shown. Fades and/or extensive use of blue and green looks awful... =/

Let's hope that the talked about project concerning producing new ones that support 24bit instead of 16bit (8:4:4) will one day become reality.


The only think I've used it on so far are Workbench 3.5 and UFO - Enemy Unknown AGA so I haven't noticed any problems with colours... yet.  I guess I need a good AGA shoot-em-up to check it out :-)

I also need to get a decent monitor.  Time to get a nice flat screen for the PC and then use the CRT on the Amiga.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2005, 11:14:00 PM »
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Darrin, thanks for the detailed install instructions! I just bought one of these used and it should be here in a few days. I had no idea how it was to be connected, but now I do and I know what to expect from it.

Thanks again,
vic20owner


Glad I could help.  If you need anything clarified then just email me.  :-)
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2005, 08:53:02 AM »
Im hearing people say that these sd/ff produce chunky looking graphics.  Apparently, a good tv with a scart connector will give better results with games???  Is this true?
 

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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2005, 10:07:36 AM »
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The only think I've used it on so far are Workbench 3.5 and UFO - Enemy Unknown AGA so I haven't noticed any problems with colours... yet. I guess I need a good AGA shoot-em-up to check it out


Try starting Deluxe Paint, Brilliance or any other GFX program if you have any. First make a 256 gradient of red and put it out on the screen. Then try the same with blue and green. It looks completely awful...  instead of having 256 nice different variations you will see 16 variations.


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Im hearing people say that these sd/ff produce chunky looking graphics. Apparently, a good tv with a scart connector will give better results with games??? Is this true?


Depends. If you remember how it looked playing old DOS VGA 320*200 PC-games on a VGA monitor that is about what to expect from playing games in low resulotion together with a scandoubler/flickerfixer. It will for sure look "smoother" and give a more high-res feeling when playing on a TV with a RGB-scart, and also look very sharp depending on what TV you have.
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Re: EYETECH SD/FF INSTALLED
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2005, 01:16:15 PM »
I bought a DCE internal one a few months back and it's working very nicely. The only problem I have is that there are plenty of screenmodes that doesn't go through. I've tried it with 3 different CRT and there are problems with a lot of demos and games. Then I've tried it with a TFT with 1280x1024 max res and it didn't work either, but I've tried a TFT with 1024x768 max res and everything worked. As I'm thinking of buying myself a new TFT does anyone have any good pointers of what to look for to get as many screenmodes as possible to go through the scandoubler?
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