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Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« on: October 05, 2005, 04:33:27 AM »
Old time Amiga User here (started on A1000 in'88)
I Brought my A3000 out to test it and see if I want to sell, but decided I will keep (i think) and even upgrade...
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What are best upgrades in your opinion for this system?

Amiga 3000 16mhz, 8meg Ram(2chip 6fast), 40megHD, 2ndExternal Floppy, 2.04 Rom and 37.xx workbench.  

I want to go through many of my disks and put on a hard drive and organize stuff....mostly music, anims, documents and games(of course).

Here are a few issues as well:
1.Keyboard for a3000 - dont think it is easy fix(Return key doen't respond), so where to get use/keyboard?  or should I get converter?

2.battery for A3000 - soldered two things in my life, but not anything as fragile as a motherboard... I might be up to "gambling" on doing myself -so, what might be my best option with battery?

3.Bigger hard drive - current is 40meg, would love to find bigger one.  where best to look?

Oh, o.k. I'll go for 2 more questions... Please don't hurt me!! please!?

4. Kickstart 2.04 current... I think I desperately need to upgrade! Which is best for A3000 16/40 2megChip 6meg fast.

5. Lastly, best way to get latest software onto A3000?... I do not have cdrom or ethernet card
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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2005, 06:24:50 AM »
1) Sounds like it might just be a question of cleaning it, which is pritty easy.

2) It's not that hard... sugest you solder 2 whires to it though and have the battery sepperat. a Cointype battery is the best option in my oppinion.

3) Secondhand computer market... SCSI drives drop every now and then. Get a 4GB one.

4) Only one ledft to upgrade with and thats 3.1. But you should uppgrade the CPU aswell... a 060 would be fine. :)

5) Get hold of an external SCSI CDRom. There's also software to connect up the Amiga to a PC through the Par port but that's SLOW.

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 07:06:57 AM »
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2) It's not that hard... sugest you solder 2 whires to it though and have the battery sepperat. a Cointype battery is the best option in my oppinion.


Uhm, dont do any soldering directly on lithium coin batteries... they are rumored to explode when getting to hot.

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2005, 04:34:01 PM »
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2) It's not that hard... sugest you solder 2 whires to it though and have the battery sepperat. a Cointype battery is the best option in my oppinion.


Uhm, dont do any soldering directly on lithium coin batteries... they are rumored to explode when getting to hot.



You need to go to Radio Shack and buy a lithium coin battery holder, a lithium 3.0V 2032? coin battery, and a diode to prevent charging the lithium battery on the positive (+) terminal.  Download the file on aminet called lithbatt.lha or something like that.  There is a list of the parts and a nice diagram.  You should never solder directly to the lithium coin battery itself.
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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2005, 07:22:26 PM »
Of cause you should use a holder for the coin battery. :roll:

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2005, 10:18:00 PM »
Sadly you cannot go to Radio Shack and buy the Coin cell holder anymore!  I tried to no avail several times and it is a discontinued item.  I ended up going to a scrap PC junkyard and buying a old PC Mobo for $1 to get the darn holder!  Cheaper than online.
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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2005, 05:20:27 AM »
Let's really look at the facts, and stop throwing useless items at this person.

All A3000's had a 68030 processor and a floating point unit soldered to its motherboard. The A3000-16 uses 68030 and 68881 @ 16 MHz while the A3000-25 uses 68030 and 68882 @ 25 MHz.
(1) At best case, it has a Buster04,DMAC02,and Ramsey04. Your talking about NO possibility of 060 without the upgrade chips, and a cost factor of =/- $130 USD.
(2)Has flawed on-board SCSI controller chip:  =/- $30 USD
There are several problems that can occur when adding additional SCSI devices to the SCSI bus on the A3000. Most common are random SCSI bus lockups, especially with CD-ROMS or tape drives, and random checksum errors when copying large files between devices. These problems can, in most cases, be attributed to the WD33C93A SCSI controller chip in the A3000. Most, if not all, A3000's shipped with the WD33C93A-PL 00-04 chip revision. This chip had known bugs when multiple devices were present on the SCSI bus. With a single device, problems rarely occurred. As soon as the user started to add devices to the bus, the problems mentioned above would start to appear. The WD33C93A-PL 00-08 chip revision addresses and fixes the above problems.
(3)AmigaDOS2.04-3.1 can use drives less than 4.0 GIGS only, and sometimes, only 2 gigs is ideal. (See below).
It is not too difficult to understand what causes the 4+ GB problems, though perhaps a little bit technical. Simply put, AmigaDOS uses 32-bit pointers to reference positions on a hard disk and therefore can reference a maximum of 2^32 bytes or 4,294,967,296 (4 GB) - Note that, with some older SCSI controllers and devices the limitation is actually 2 Gigabytes.
So, for a 2.04 system, I would recommend a 2 gig drive.
(4)Forget the soldering of the battery. Just nip and cut the battery off. Leave the "ears" that stand upright. Solder new leads to these 2 ears, and lead them back to a new location.
Personally, I put a replacement battery in a small plastic bottle, and tied it off away from the motherboard.

So, if your going to be helpful, tell this user the facts. Don't throw "do this and do that" until he can resolve the basic problems with this 16Mhz machine. And, yes I do know that most revisions of the 25Mhz board shipped with these old chips installed. I am not trying to rain on your desire, but start with want will stablize your system.
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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2005, 06:10:16 AM »
Hey, thanks so much for all the input!
1.I will be trying the keyboard fix mentioned in another forum ....
http://www.qdev.de/?location=electronics/keyboardrepair

2. battery is already removed -- along with posts(ears), so I will have to solder some, I may try the lithium coin convert or run wires to battery in safe location.  Any harm in running a3000 without any battery?

3. found a site that has some used scsi HD drives, but will watch prices for just a little. 2gig will most likely be enough (sure, that is what I said when I got 40meg HD!)
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4. Haven't looked real hard, but not having luck finding scsi cdrom drives...

5. Question on 3.1 roms... there are four (4) rom "sockets" two (2) which are taken by 2.04. Do I just add 3.1 in the open sockets or do I need to remove the 2.04.... guess I could read info that comes with chips, but hey...since your here... :-)

Thanks again!
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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2005, 04:05:40 PM »
No harm in running the machine without battery and yes you'll have to remove the existing ROM chips to make room for the new ones.

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2005, 05:27:27 PM »
Details of chips on board.

Board is A3000 B2 313312 Re 9/03

Yes, 68030fe16b and 68881fn16b are soldered on board.

Super buster (fatbuster) is 390539-07 71 4319 5101 3G
Super DMAC 81 390537 4790 - 02
Ramsey 390541-04 R

scsi controller chip - WD 33C93A-PL 911B WDC PROTO

System works fine without battery

It does have A3000 daughterboard Rev. 7 (what would be the best investment to get to plug into daughterboard? - if any?)

HD boots up to decent workbench screen (need to change the wallpaper though) and shows WB as 37.175 and kickstart 37.71 the disks that are with the manual say wb 2.05.. whatever.  


I have a few programs loaded on HD, like old version of Prowrite, diskmaster, modplayers and a few music mods, graphic viewers and couple of shareware games...

screen mode is ntsc high res interlaced 660x442 16 color on a 19 inch viewsonic...

I do have crossdos to transfer from amiga to pc - what would
be some choice programs to put on this miggy?  Hey, right now I see some Flying toasters floating around the screen....guess I will have to see what screensaver I have loaded....Thanks.

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2005, 02:10:27 AM »
Well, I got it within 97% on the internal chips.
To use a CD-ROM (CD-R) drive:
(1)The -04 and Proto are bothersome and have faults.Upgrade the SCSI controller chip to the -08 version to use the external SCSI motherboard port. Or, you could buy any model of these SCSI Zorro II card's (A2091, Trumpcard, GVP SCSI Series II, DataFlyer SCSI, or SCSI III like a Fastlane Z3.
(2)There are several software packages for CD-R, among the best is AsimWareCDFS. Hard to find, but worth it.

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2005, 07:08:17 PM »
The SCSI on the Fastlane ZIII is hit or miss on the A3000. The RAM will work with no problems. He'd be better off with one of the other options.
 

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2005, 06:31:50 PM »
Hi,
any ideas where to get the WD33c93a rev 8 chip?
Saludos

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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2005, 07:36:13 PM »
I picked mine up from Softhut.com
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Re: Dusting Off Amiga 3000 - Upgrades???
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2005, 04:05:09 PM »
I suggest not worrying about the onboard SCSI controller chip and getting an accellerator like a WarpEngine or other that has SCSI-II included.  It will be faster with the new CPU and have faster memory access to the RAM on the accellerator card.  I have two A3000's with WarpEngine 3040's installed that were a great step forward from the stock 25mHz 030's, so it would be even more noticable on his 16mHz machine.

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