Going price on a Cybervision 64 card?

[icbrkr]

... not the 64/3D card, but the standard everyday card.  I'm looking for one to finish up my Amiga.  Anyone have one up for sale or a link on where to pick one up (besides Ebay )

[patrik]

@icbrkr:

Don't call it the everyday card. Compared to the 3D version it is mil spec, honestly!


/Patrik

[icbrkr]

 :roflmao:

[Effy]

Think you could buy it at 40 or 50 Euro ...

[icbrkr]

Well... I have a bid out on one on flea-bay, but I'd rather buy one from people on here.  

Really, I'm looking for any card that can do 1280x1024x16 non interlaced so it can drive my LCD's native resolution  I'm avoiding the 3D model as I noticed it doesn't have a pass through and I'd need to get yet another monitor switchbox.

[patrik]

@icbrkr:

You will have to get a CyberStormPPC/MK3 + CyberVisionPPC or a Mediator + Voodoo3 to be able to do 1280x1024x16 non interlaced. If you settle for 8-bit, it the CV64 will manage it though.

Btw, it is a wise choice not to go for the 3D version. It does not just have the by large slowest Zorro3 bus interface of all Zorro3 cards, but it also has an absolute horrible image quality. And to add more to its misery, it cant really do 3D. I was serious in my previous statement regarding the mil spec.


/Patrik

[icbrkr]

Ah.  Well, no offense, I thought you were funning a certain person who talks alot about milspec  Sorry about that!

I'm seeing the 64's specs to be this:

# 1600×1200×8 non-interlace
# 1280×1024×16 non-interlace
# 1152×864×24 interlace
# 1024×768×24 non-interlace

is this not true?

[patrik]

@icbrkr:

Definately no offense taken, I just had milspec on my mind when I was replying ;=).

Those specs must be wrong as the CV64 has a max pixelclock of 80MHz at 16-bit. A 1280x1024 screenmode at 50Hz requires a pixelclock of around 100MHz. I think there is a setting that will allow you to go above those 80MHz at 16-bit, but that will make the card use more bandwidth for just refreshing the screen than meant and will thus inhibit access to the vram for both the graphics chip itself (blitting, line-drawing, etc) and the cpu. At a bit over max, it will just make the card slower, but at some point it will give display artefacts and I think it will be next to impossible to reach the pixelclocks required for the 56Hz at 1280x1024 which I assume is your monitors minimum refresh-rate.

8-bit isnt too bad though and with those older cards at high resolutions it is much faster.


/Patrik

[KThunder]

i feel as though ive missed out on some long running joke. what the heck do you mean by milspec. do you mean mil spec as in military spec as in tough enoug and well designed for military use. none of the stuff is that. ive heard the a2000 called milspec since its case is built like a tank. if you mean milspec as in leading edge i dont think any of this stuff would qualify

[Argus]

KThunder wrote:
i feel as though ive missed out on some long running joke. what the heck do you mean by milspec. do you mean mil spec as in military spec as in tough enoug and well designed for military use. none of the stuff is that. ive heard the a2000 called milspec since its case is built like a tank. if you mean milspec as in leading edge i dont think any of this stuff would qualify

The joke is about a certain former amiga.org personality (a/k/a Doommaster) who used the words 'military spec' to describe his A2000 wares for sale (he swore up and down anything other than the 2000 was junk).  You can look up the old threads.... :lol:

[Framiga]

i agree with patrik.

I have now both CV64 and CVPPC installed under AOS3.9 and you can't go
to 1280x1024 at 16 bit (slow even at 8 bit).

I've set a CV64 screen for PSA at 1152x900 at 8 bit but . . .

I use max 1024x768 at 16 bit even on CVPPC (8MB vram), go figure!

[icbrkr]

Framiga wrote:
i agree with patrik.

I have now both CV64 and CVPPC installed under AOS3.9 and you can't go
to 1280x1024 at 16 bit (slow even at 8 bit).

I've set a CV64 screen for PSA at 1152x900 at 8 bit but . . .

I use max 1024x768 at 16 bit even on CVPPC (8MB vram), go figure!

Hmm... seems like I need to complain at a few Amiga hardware sites.  No biggy, I could use it at a non-native resolution (already am now but it looks blocky) or on a 17" CRT.. but then I'd have to walk to the other side of the room to use it

and dammit.. my 17" CRT isn't milspec...

[Framiga]

if you don't care about 3D, go for the CV64.

You can easy go to 1024x768 at 16bit without any problem (and fast).

ah . . if your able to find one at 40 EUR . . . let we know :-)

PS- pay only attention that it is the 4MB version.

[patrik]

@icbrkr:

I would definately recommend 8-bit at a native resolution instead of running in a non-native resolution and getting a embarassingly bad image. Once upon a time when I had a CV64 in my A4000 I used it with a fixed sync monitor that only accepted 1280x1024@70Hz - so no 16-bit there, but if you spend a little time and get a good backdrop and create a dithered ~128 colour version of it with gimp or some other good software, it looks really good. If you arent into graphics software there is no limitation with 8-bit really and those can always be run at one of those sub-standard looking non-native screenmodes.


/Patrik

[icbrkr]

Framiga wrote:
if you don't care about 3D, go for the CV64.

You can easy go to 1024x768 at 16bit without any problem (and fast).

ah . . if your able to find one at 40 EUR . . . let we know :-)

PS- pay only attention that it is the 4MB version.

Turned out I got it for 90 EUR - not terrible really.  Can't wait to get it home and installed!