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New OS
« on: September 10, 2005, 04:25:44 PM »
Hi, (this is a long post please bear with me.) I'm looking for some general advice. I've owned an Amiga since 1992 and the only change has been to go from an A500+ to an A1200. Someone gave me a PC with Windows '95 a couple of months ago. It's not very powerful and it seems that upgrading it would be more hassle and cost than buying a new one. There's a shop near me selling a PC with a Pentium 4, 80gig HD, 512mb for £150. (It comes with Windows XP and the guy said he'd knock money off if I didn't want it.)

The point is I don't want it, I don't like Windows. It's not an anti-Microsoft thing I just don't like using it. We have Windows 2000 at work and I'm not mad on it at all. As for my Windows '95 machine I think I'm going mad. I've encountered what the net refers to as 'DLL Hell' I spend my whole time reinstalling DLL files.

What other operating systems are there I can use? I know the main alternative is Linux, I don't know too much about that. I've used Mac OS on a friend's machine and quite liked it; Idon't suppose there's anything like it that will run on x86 architecture. Something that handles like Amiga OS would be nice. :-) I have to say I'm not mad into the idea of getting Morph OS or any of the other Amiga derivatives. Any ideas would be much appreciated.
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2005, 04:44:54 PM »
theres still no easy way of getting MacOS X on x86

which leaves you with only a few options that will give you an OS which can actually do anything

Id say that linux is the best choice there are many good distros like SuSe, mandrake, ubuntu etc

but you might be better off with something a little easier to install like Linspire, but it costs money

also theres stuff like solaris that might be of some use
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2005, 04:51:01 PM »
Nice one, thanks. I'll Google the ones you've told me and see what comes up. Is Linux really difficult to install?
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2005, 05:00:19 PM »
You're selecting an OS for all the wrong reasons, to be brutally honest. First select the applications you want to run, then choose hardware, OS, and coolness factor. Chances are quite big that you will not find Linux to your liking as well. You can tinker with it to your heart's content and some internals really have an Amiga-like feel to them (even if they're much more elaborate) but unless you like to do that all the time, it is not really that different from the rest. It just crashes less often---although I have to admit that Windows 2000 is already quite stable.

The only idea I can think of besides the OSes you already mentioned is SkyOS, but there you have to work with an appbase which might (or might not) be big. I am not that interested in these things anymore.

I think it is time for you to come to terms with the fact that something like the Amiga is no longer available nor feasible. Well, if you insist, you can use AmigaOS4, or MorphOS, or perhaps even AROS, but you already indicated you're not that keen on those. It took me a few years, but when I tried AROS a year ago, it felt almost like sacrilege to have something that (relatively) simple run on hardware nearly two orders of magnitude faster. My entire usage pattern has changed too: I cannot do on an Amiga what I now do on the PC anymore.

Of course the above is invalid if you don't care about apps; then SkyOS would be my first non-Windows, non-Linux, i86-based OS of choice.
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Re: New OS
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2005, 05:35:50 PM »
food for thought... To be honest I was only holding out for something vaguely Amigaesque in a lazy sort of way. I see your point about choosing apps first. I'd mainly be wanting to browse the net, emulate old games, store pictures from the digital camera I'm about to buy. I've read too many horror stories and seen too many ruined computers to dream of putting a Windows machine on the net. (Last week a friend of mine had their computer knackered and they were using Firefox which I thought was secure.)

I'm going to spend a while looking up Linux on the net. It seems to be quite well supported in terms of books and websites about it.
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2005, 06:33:22 PM »
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Nice one, thanks. I'll Google the ones you've told me and see what comes up. Is Linux really difficult to install?

I just installed suse 9.3 on my parents pc, and it turned out to be much less painful than installing windows. The installing process was 100% graphical and it had some reasonable good plug and play features.. Popped in a bluetooth adaptor into the usb, and got a popup box saying: "found new hardware: bluetooth adaptor blah blah. Do you want to configure it now?"

Just as easy with usb cameras, flash disks and so on.. Never had to touch the cmd line once.

But if you already like amigaos, then why not get hold of an amigaone?
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2005, 07:18:59 PM »
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I was only holding out for something vaguely Amigaesque in a lazy sort of way.


Try Zeta.

More apps than SkyOS, and it's quite Amigalike.
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2005, 07:21:16 PM »
lookup BeOS, it's probably the most Amiga like OS there is.  It'll do everything you mentioned.

It's available as "Zeta" these days but you'll need to pay for it.
There is a free version of BeOS out there if you want to try it, there's also "BeOSMax" which is also free.

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Firefox is secure, Windows isn't.
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2005, 10:32:25 PM »
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I've read too many horror stories and seen too many ruined computers to dream of putting a Windows machine on the net. (Last week a friend of mine had their computer knackered and they were using Firefox which I thought was secure.)

No computer program is secure, even Firefox has its share of bugs, but---and this is important---far less than Internet Explorer. Even so, you can configure Firefox to accept ActiveX controls and the like, and that is like rolling out a red carpet for anything fishy wanting to get in. In addition, if your friend was surfing the web as an administrator, and not as a regular user, he was not really thinking about what he was doing either. And we're not even sure it was Firefox's fault: for all I know he could have been IM-ing with a shady person, or double-clicking a bit too hastily on a program/crack he got off a P2P network.

My point: Firefox is just a part of a long and hitherto unfamiliar chain of programs, access rights and basic security measures needed to keep a machine safe and healthy. That chain specifically includes the human operator: you have to think about what you're doing. There is no real reason to write off a PC with Firefox as 'bad' or 'unsafe' based on the experiences of a single friend: the fact that I have been using the exact same combination for over a year behind a tiny print server annex firewall without a single problem is sufficient testimony that you can use this combination very easily and without any problems. And I'm not even running spyware or antivirus programs. The only time I needed them was when I was using IE---it didn't even matter whether I turned off or on ActiveX. (Which reminds me, I need to scan my computer. Last time was 6 months ago :-P.)

There are plenty of sites out there to help you lock down a Windows-machine, and while the end result may not be as robust as a properly configured Linux-box, it will make it very hard for a hacker to get in in the first place. Don't forget that those guys are not going to hack a well-guarded run-of-the-mill machine when there are still thousands just waiting to be abused with a minimum amount of fuss out there.
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Re: New OS
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2005, 10:56:15 PM »
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Nice one, thanks. I'll Google the ones you've told me and see what comes up. Is Linux really difficult to install?


Only if you make it difficult.  SuSE, which I use, installed in every case I have used it falling off a log easy.  Gateway 500SE, a Frankiputer 2 1.2 celerons, An IBM Thinkpad 600X, a drive transplant into a Dell 1 gig.  Each and every time it was easy.

The functionality is as simple or as hard as you make it.  You can even find X servers that are close to Amiga or Mac in feel.
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Re: New OS
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2005, 11:49:40 PM »
I just downloaded Linspire 5.0 and was uterly disapointed it seems to get anywhere near the usability of my Mandrake install would cost a bundle. I also found the Mandrake installer much easier to use. My system with mandrake comes up completly runnung. I would suggest you purchase the 10.1 Discovery disk as it is by far the easiest and most full distribution (if you are not doing server or development)I have found includes Non Linear editor Sound editor two complete office sweets and all the software you would need for your stated needs. As well as plugins for browsing and 3d drivers for NVidia and ATI.
A word of caution make sure you make sure all your periferals are compatable to the dist you choose (especially printers and scanners)Caps printer drivers support the most printers and SANE supports the most scanners. Your hardware may just dictate the dist you buy. :-)
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Re: New OS
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2005, 12:06:53 AM »
If you have the funding getting a proper MAC with the latest OS X is a nice investment, and well worth it for the extra bucks.
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Re: New OS
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2005, 12:18:27 AM »
Hi,

Fedora Core 4 is also worth looking at, as is Ubuntu. Generally, to install Linux these days, it's pretty much just a case of booting the machine with the installation media in the drive and following a few simple on-screen instructions.

If you want something Amiga-like, you could always install Linux with UAE and have it boot directly into the emulated Amiga environment!  :-D

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Re: New OS
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 02:11:47 AM »
Haiku has my interest at the moment... I wonder if it is destined for any reasonabe maturity.
 

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Re: New OS
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2005, 06:06:17 PM »
Thanks for all the help everyone. I was at the North Thames Amiga meeting on Sunday and was VERY impressed by OS4 (First time I'd seen it.) To be honest if I was getting a PPC machine that's what I'd be after. The skins are a nice feature, if you're a sadist you can make it look like Windows XP. Zeta looked quite good too. I think the winner is SUSE Linux though. I get my beast of a machine on Friday and it will be Linuxed.

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/overview.html