Need help - want to boot my amiga HD on PC with WinUAE

[dredger]

Well, yep, i acceeded well my partitions, at least the 4th first ones
I just had to edit the mountlist (ml file) and remove the lines "SectorsPerBlock"

But ... yep there's a but ... hdtoolbox seem also a bit bugged

In HDToolbox i have the definitions of my drive (2 drives in fact i had a scsi in the past).  For the Quantum, i rewrite all the parameters, and it's now that's it's strange :
Cylinders: 23044
Heads: 1
BpTrack: 72
BpCylinder:512

First strange think is "Block per Cylinder", i assume they mean the blocksize !?
Anyway, i enter these values in order, and i read the summary of the Size which indicates 829548k (810 Meg)
I click on ok, do you want to overwrite it, yep, click on Continue.  i come back in the select a drive window i click on ok and here's what he tells me :

Warning! The drive type you selected has 11798528 blocks, while the drive itself has only 1660176 blocks.  Are you SURE you want to continue?

 In the doubt i click cancel (i tested to click on continue once and he gives another warning).  So i click cancel, i click "Edit Old" to re-edit the parameters of the HD and what do i see !? the size has changed to 1704704k, 1664Meg !?  And the datas i entered before (the cylinders, heads, BpTrack and BpCylinder) are still the right ones i entered !?  Even stranger, i just clic in cylinders but change no value, i push TAB (the focus goes in the Heads box, i still do not change anything, i push again TAB so the focus goes in the Blocks per Track box and at this moment, the size went from the 1704704k to 829548k !?  One more TAB to go in Block per Cylinder, still the same, and one more TAB to go in "Park Head..." (which is at 23044 btw) and the zize comes back to 1704704k ....

Is also my HDToolbox bugged !?

I even have disksalv (v2) and it ran well, i even scanned my DH0 and no errors on it, but it doesnt propose me to write the settings to the HD
At least, i also found ExpertPrep from the old GVP; but it did not grand enough options to set all i want, no way to change the numbers of cylinder or the blocksize

Anyway, I saved the mountlist directly on my WB disk ...

And a GREAT THANKS because i can already find back my files ... ouf ...

[Thomas]

First strange think is "Block per Cylinder", i assume they mean the blocksize !?

If they write blocks per cylinder they mean blocks per cylinder. Why do you always believe the software is wrong ? Is this what Windows does to people ?

If you change a value in one of the text input fields you have to press enter or tab to make the changes active.

Blocks per cylinder is calculated as blocks per track * heads. So you should use 72 as blocks per cylinder.

FYI: heads is the same as tracks per cylinder. So blocks per cylinder = blocks per track * tracks per cylinder.

Also if it tells you that the actual number of blocks on the drive is 1660176, then the real number of cylinders is 23058 (= 1660176 / 72).

These are the values to use:

heads = 1
blocks per track = 72
blocks per cylinder = 72
number of cylinders = 23,058
total number of blocks = 1,660,176
bytes per block = 512
capacity of the drive = 850,010,112 bytes (810.63 MB)

You might also try to rerun RDBRecov with the new cylinders value. Perhaps it finds the JEUX partition now. (I am quite sure it does.)

In HDToolbox i have the definitions of my drive

Well, I usually doubt what I saved earlier. I prefer to always use "define new". Newer versions of HDToolbox don't have this feature any more, they always read the actual geometry from the HDD.

BTW, what happens if you click on "read configuration" ? Which values does it use then ?

Bye,
Thomas

[dredger]

Voilà !
It worked, it's ok i have all and it's running like before

BTW, what happens if you click on "read configuration" ? Which values does it use then ?

In HDToolBox when I use the Read Configuration i obtain the following :
Cylinders: 1647
Heads : 16
BperTrack: 63
Block per Cylinder: 1008

If they write blocks per cylinder they mean blocks per cylinder. Why do you always believe the software is wrong ? Is this what Windows does to people ?

Im well placed about softwares, i should normally be a developper, but not anymore (please dont blame havent touched development since 13y) - and as the first hdtoolbox you made me download was bugged as you said, im just doubtfull.
 Im not used with HD, partioning and filesystems, i recognize it, but i like to learn about things and ask people who know about

At this point, I have to thank you greatly.  I thought my HD was totally lost

Im wondering if i'll try to put it on my PC.  I haven't tried again to plug it and try to make UAE run it.
 I'll maybe post another thread for this, or maybe there's a simple answer ?

Well, thanks a lot

BTW, a little question : is there any future plans for a possibility to see back a new amiga ? a new OS ?
My opinion would be to choose a standard harware, like a console game, and stick on it with minor changes.  but is there still any company behind ?  I doubt, after 10y it's over, no ?

Cheers, and, again, thanks Thomas !

Alex

 

[Thomas]

Im wondering if i'll try to put it on my PC.  I haven't tried again to plug it and try to make UAE run it.
 I'll maybe post another thread for this, or maybe there's a simple answer ?

Well, you should make a backup of the RDB or at least write down the output of RDBRecov, so you can easier recover your partitions again. Last time your PC destroyed your partition table. You should also check your PC for viruses or other software which might write to a "empty" HDD. Usually a PC with WinXP or 2000 does not write to an Amiga HDD without a reason.

BTW, a little question : is there any future plans for a possibility to see back a new amiga ? a new OS ?
My opinion would be to choose a standard harware, like a console game, and stick on it with minor changes.  but is there still any company behind ?  I doubt, after 10y it's over, no ?

What should I say ? You must be blind if you didn't see the news about the AmigaOne and AmigaOS 4.0.

http://www.amiga.com/amigaos/
http://www.intuitionbase.com/
http://www.amigaworld.net/

Perhaps you even overlooked AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 ?

http://os.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en

Bye,
Thomas

[dredger]

No no im not blink
It's just that i followed amiga news during 3 to 4 years, gradually loosing interest.
The WB 4.0, if i well remember, was alreday talked about in 1995, or 96, so after 10 years & a busy life, I didnt care anymore about.  And now in 2005 it should at least arrive.

I searched a little bit right now.  So if I well read, 2 main standard hardware components will be a PPC cpu and ati GFX card.  And it's a specific motherboard apparently.  I thought, before reading news about, that I could have ran it on my standard PC harware (here i have AMD cpu and nvidia type gfx card)

btw, about the HD, it's not my pc who "killed" him, it's when using hdtoolbox, after having clicked on "read drive parameters" then click on save ...  I figured out that reading the drive parameters = read the current used drive parameters, not the, apparently, defaults ones as it was the case

I have saved anyway some amiga url and I'll check around regularly.  but if I need to buy a new machine to make run OS 4.0, it's a bit too much.  My first opinion here is that i well want to buy the OS and test/use it, but new hardware ... dunno

Cheers