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Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« on: August 20, 2005, 02:51:11 AM »
Hi!! Im asking for contributions!!!
Im doing a feature for the mag i work, about RETROCOMPUTING.
Thing is, im researching as much as i can about most popular 8/16 bit systems, and im trying to get as much data as i can, so if you have 10 minutes free, and would love to answer this questions (it doesnt have to be posted here, if you prefer, you can send me PM) to help me trough, i will be more than happy and you will make my day...(and of course you will be credited in the article!!!
 :-D )
Please people, i need feedback from as many users as possible!! And, if you also owned another 8 or 16 bit computer (NOT console, just home computer) in the past, and also would like to contribute, well, drop me a line!!!!

So here are the questions!!!!
1) Name 5 all time favorite games (can be Amiga specifically or multiformat.
2) Name 5 all time favorite companies (companies which produced games, of course, but also companies that produced hard, and i dont mean Commodore itself, but third parties).
3) Things you CAN do with Amiga that CANT with most modern PC´s (of course you can also explain why you prefer to surf internet using amiga browsers rather than pc´s ones)
4) Famous QUOTES about 8 and 16 bit machines.
5) 5 all time favorite people (for example Jay Miner, or some programmer like Archer McLean , Geoff Crammond, David Braben, Sir Clive Sinclair... Things like that)
6) Amiga estimated sales figures. I already have an idea about how many Amigas were sold in UK, Germany & USA. Would love to have feedback from italian users, spanish users, french users, polish users, czech users, aussie users, turkish users, greek users, belgium users (sorry Effy, dont know how to say that.. :)), new zealand users, you get my idea.
7) Same as 6) but guessing how many ACTIVE Amiga users are left.
 :-)
8) If the Amiga wasnt your first home computer, name which one it was.
9) Quick opinion about EMULATION of Amiga on other systems
10) Quick opinion about ABANDONWARE
11) Quick opinion about if computing in the 8/16 era was funnier than now
12) Quick opinion about the demo scene

Well, i think that would be all for now...hope to have loads of info from you!!!


Kind Regards!

Sebastian

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2005, 03:08:29 AM »
Hum,
Can you not just make up the answers?


Anyway, My fave games just now are Quake, the sims2 (PC), settlers, frontier elite, chess...

Don’t know about the rest of the questions...

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2005, 04:21:15 AM »
Last I checked my Amiga was 32 bit!
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2005, 04:54:21 AM »
Yeah, I was just going to say the same. Amiga Classic is 32 bit.
Commodore didn't make a 16bit at all did they? They went strait
from the 8bit 64/128 to the 32bit Amigas. Now what about the
Z80 inside the C128 for CPM mode, that was 8bit also correct?

You should probably change the title of your post to C64/128 users for better results.


Plaz
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2005, 05:11:06 AM »
THERE ARE NO 8/16 BIT AMIGAS!

There are no 16 bit Amigas!

There are no 8 bit Amigas!

There are no 64 bit Amigas!

There are no 128 bit Amigas!!!!

There has NEVER BEEN any 8/16/64/128 bit Amiga!!!!

ALL Amigas ever made are 32 bits!
All Amigas ever made run 32 bit software!!!

All Classic Amigas ever made have 16 different multipurpose 32 bit registers!!!  That is approximately 16 more than a Pentium.

"AmigaOne" has 32 different SuperMegaMultipurpose 32 bit registers!



Fave games:
Total Chaos AGA
Chaos: WWII ECS
Tetris Duel AGA
Future Basketball
Ugh!


Fave Companies:
Team Chaos
Bitmap Brothers
Team 17


Things I can do on Amiga that I can't do on a BGCPC
1. Play the world's best strategy game (Total Chaos AGA)
2. Surf the net securely.
3. Laugh at the script kiddies on IRC who try to infect me with Bill Gates Compatible Viruses.


Famous quotes about 8/16 bit machines:
"All 16 bit machines suck!"
"What kind of idiot would have bought a 16 bit machine
in the 1980s when 32 bit Amiga 500's were so inexpensive and widely available?"

Favorite Computer People:
Jay Miner
Carl Sassenrath


Wanna try a wonderfull strategy game with lots of handdrawn anims,
Magic Spells and Monsters, Incredible playability and lastability,
English speech, etc. Total Chaos AGA
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2005, 06:33:54 AM »
1) Name 5 all time favorite games (can be Amiga specifically or multiformat.

Doom, Doom II, Dune, F29 Retaliator, Nuclear War

2) Name 5 all time favorite companies (companies which produced games, of course, but also companies that produced hard, and i dont mean Commodore itself, but third parties).

Advanced Gravis, Id Software, AMD, Commodore, Individual Computers

3) Things you CAN do with Amiga that CANT with most modern PC´s (of course you can also explain why you prefer to surf internet using amiga browsers rather than pc´s ones)

My first exposure to the Amiga was in the early 90's working in a local access TV station using Video Toaster. Linear editing, VT effects, used of Music On Disk (MOD) format songs, downloaded from local bulletin boards, in my videos. I prefered my home PC, but it couldn't even come close to competing with the graphics and sound capabilities of the Amiga. Even under emulation, the modern PC can't duplicate the quality and spirit of the Amiga.

4) Famous QUOTES about 8 and 16 bit machines.

"Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM!" -- Bill Gates, 1981

5) 5 all time favorite people (for example Jay Miner, or some programmer like Archer McLean, Geoff Crammond, David Braben, Sir Clive Sinclair... Things like that)

Peter Hajba of Remedy and the Future Crew (gods of the Demoscene), Jens Schoenfeld of

Individual Computers, Jeri Ellsworth of C-One fame, Wayne Hunt of Amiga.org, and of course Jay Miner.

7) Same as 6) but guessing how many ACTIVE Amiga users are left.

I would venture to guess about 1 million worldwide, as I know many who are not necessarilly active in the scene but still actively use their Amigas at home.

8) If the Amiga wasnt your first home computer, name which one it was.

TI 99A back in the early 80's... First *I* owned was a Zenith Data Systems 8088 (akin to the Heathkit version).

9) Quick opinion about EMULATION of Amiga on other systems

Emulation is nice when it works. I've had far more sucess tranferring ADFs to disk and running them from my A4000D tho.

10) Quick opinion about ABANDONWARE

If it's that old, set it free... If it's truely abandonned, it should be considered free.

11) Quick opinion about if computing in the 8/16 era was funnier than now

Funnier or More fun? I do know all 680x0 based systems were 32bit, which is funny given the focus of your research is on 8bit and 16bit systems. As for fun, yeah, the days of computing being FUN are LONG gone (outside of the retro scene that is).

12) Quick opinion about the demo scene

I've always been a major fan of the demoscene. The Future Crew in particular. I have 386 and 486 machines up and running for the sole purpose of playing FC's demos. Complete with Advanced Gravis Ultrasound MAX and Sound Blaster Pro sound cards. It always astounded me what they could do with MOD music, Deluxe Paint and some fancy assembler work. The names "Purple Motion" and "Skaven" will forever be branded in my mind for the wonderful music they've produced. The creation of Screamtracker by FC greatly expanded on the MOD format (originally created on the Amiga), and directly responsible for the electronic music era.

Hope this has been helpful Sebastian.
- Doc

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Mac Mini 1.5GHz, that might run MorphOS someday, when the fools who own it come to the realization that 30 minutes just isn\'t enough time to play with it enough to decide whether or not you like it enough to cough up $200.

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2005, 08:30:40 AM »
Today, calling an A500 32-bit is correct, but when they were released they were classed as 16-bit. In your oppinion then, the Sega Megadrive was 32-bit (it used a 68000), even though it states 16-bit.

Why? Because in those ye oldie days a processor's bitness was based not on it's resgisters but the width of it's data bus. The 68000 ran 32-bit software but had a 16-bit data bus, hence  a 16-bit processor.

Since then there have been more anomalies, the 386SX 32-bit regisers, 16-bit data bus, Pentium 32-bit registers 64-bit data bus. Because of things like this AFIAK we now think in terms of register width.

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2005, 08:34:06 AM »
I'm not a techy by any stretch of the imagination but I was always under the impression that the 500/2000 etc were 16 bit aswell! I seem to remember an article in zzap64 years ago that listed the 500 as 16/32 bit. The explanation was something like "32 bit processor but only 16 is addressable" or something like that. Is this quote correct?

EDIT - Bugger! just seen post above!
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2005, 08:36:57 AM »
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"Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM!" -- Bill Gates, 1981


As I recall, he never said that, or if he did there was more to the quote/context than people make out. I guess it fits too well for the anti-M$ people to care tho'
I like Amigas
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2005, 09:24:50 AM »
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ALL Amigas ever made are 32 bits!


Slightly off topic... but I just have this small question... what about the A1200 and the 24-bit issue (not being able to handle as much as the A4000)? I don't really know much about this very issue, but as far as I've heard it was some kind of way to save money from Commodore's point of view. So, is the A1200 24-bit or 32-bit, or is it something completely different I am talking about here (yes, I do feel stupid, and this might be a very stupid question, but anyways)?
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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2005, 09:54:59 AM »
I'd settle for this:
- System-wise (OS/programming) all Amigas ever were 32 bit; hence the Amiga is a '32 bit system'
- Performance wise A1000, A500/2000, CDTV were 16 bit, due to their 'undersized' data bus. A3000, A4000/1200, CD32 were 32 bit in all regards (well the 1200's EC020 has a slightly downgraded address bus, but that doesn't have much impact in performance).

This does match the Megadrive as 16 bit as it didn't have much of a system and only performance mattered.

btw: that's why Atari labeled their machines Sixteen/Thirtytwo -> ST, later came the Thirtytwo/Thirtytwo -> TT. ;-)
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2005, 11:11:28 AM »
1) Turrican, Mr.Nutz, PinballDreams, TZero, AnotherWorld
2) Phase5, DCE, Individual Computers, Elbox, DKB
3) Play old games without emulation ;-)
5) Jay Miner, Carl Sassenrath, Dave Haynie, Petro Tyschtchenko
6) over 5 million worldwide.
7) around 10.000 worldwide.
8) C64
9) Nice for people who want to play old games and dont have an Amiga anymore.
11) Its was more fun because it was easier. Today everything is much more complex and computers are everywhere.
12) The Amiga needs the demo scene. We saw in the last 10 years amazing demos that rocked the demo parties and keep the Amiga in mind of the people.
 

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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2005, 11:18:50 AM »
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Gavilan wrote:
1) Name 5 all time favorite games (can be Amiga specifically or multiformat.


Dune
Settlers
Lemmings
Test Drive
Shadow of the Beast

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2) Name 5 all time favorite companies (companies which produced games, of course, but also companies that produced hard, and i dont mean Commodore itself, but third parties).


Psygnosis (software)
GVP (hardware)
Villagetronic (hardware)
Phase 5 (Hardware)
Team 17 (software)

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3) Things you CAN do with Amiga that CANT with most modern PC´s (of course you can also explain why you prefer to surf internet using amiga browsers rather than pc´s ones)


Enjoy fiddling with hardware, discuss with the very active and lively userbase and remember all the good times I used to have (real retro so to say)

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4) Famous QUOTES about 8 and 16 bit machines.


Can't think of one :-)

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5) 5 all time favorite people (for example Jay Miner, or some programmer like Archer McLean , Geoff Crammond, David Braben, Sir Clive Sinclair... Things like that)


Dave Haynie
Jay Miner (duh)
Irving Gould (without him there would have been no C=)
Dave Haynie (Oh, I already mentioned him?)

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6) Amiga estimated sales figures. I already have an idea about how many Amigas were sold in UK, Germany & USA. Would love to have feedback from italian users, spanish users, french users, polish users, czech users, aussie users, turkish users, greek users, belgium users (sorry Effy, dont know how to say that.. :)), new zealand users, you get my idea.


I have no idea. It must have been enough to afford rather large offices here in Holland...

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7) Same as 6) but guessing how many ACTIVE Amiga users are left.


No idea, really. But it seems to be growing (and pretty alive) here in Holland...

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8) If the Amiga wasnt your first home computer, name which one it was.


Atari XL/XE

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9) Quick opinion about EMULATION of Amiga on other systems


Pretty impressive what WinUAE can do... Now all I want is to replace my windows shell entirely with WinUAE :-)

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10) Quick opinion about ABANDONWARE


Eh, name says it all. Although I much prefer company's releasing things the legal way (like Team17 and others)

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11) Quick opinion about if computing in the 8/16 era was funnier than now


Everything was new, you discovered new things every day. Now it's all been there and done that.

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12) Quick opinion about the demo scene


Past or present? They always knew how to get most out of our machines, things that made your jaw drop!
Greetings from Wilnis, The Netherlands
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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2005, 02:58:30 PM »
@Argo
@Plaz
@ChaosLord

Im sorry, i didnt want to mess things up. I just said 8/16 bit becasue back in that day, all mags i read were talking about 16 bit systems (wheater Amiga or Atari), as oppossed to Commodore 64, MSX, Spectrum and all that...
I just said that...please excuse me...
And the main focus of the articule is about retrocomputing, not a technical article about wheater they were 16/32 bits, which seems to be quite confusing (at least for me, that im not a technical guy)

Hope to have clear confussion
Anyway, thanks a lot for clarification of that, and for all your answers!!!
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Re: Calling all long time Amiga users!!!
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2005, 04:06:24 PM »

1) Speedball II, SuperCars, Pirates, AllTerrainRacing,         DuckTales, Payback, AlienBreed -different versions,
   Deluxe Galaga, GravityForceII, Pang! and Oops, went past    five, Sorry!


2) EA, Psygnosis, Digital Dreams, Disney, Hyperion,
   not sure of the correctness but these are game makers
   Hardware is a different situation.

3) I can use the ADSL Internet faster with Amiga (compared     to the pc) without viruses or people coming to my           machine. Drawing is easy compared too, usuability is
   more easy allthough some grips have been taken from the     work pc which is quite new.
   
   Amiga is just so lovely to    use!  

4) Not possible... 8 bits, retrogames, speech syntexerrorr
   16-32 bits, wow what graphics and speed at that time of     life.

5) Jay Miner, Stefan Stuntz, Oliver Roberts, Petro             Tschytsenko(Sorry the name spelling), and
   Pertti Ryynänen.
 
6) Millions. Finland: 250000??? Usually a guy/gal had an       Amiga500 or similar  in 1/20 in those days. Future:  
   few but just enough to survive to better computing:)
   (And we don't want ALL PEOPLE here do we!)

7) 25000 but how active. 100 ?

8) Amstrad

9) Used not to be possible.

10) Nice if it has been good profit before.

11) Well, before it was- today compared (again) to a pc it      is a total fight. (Offcourse more "grandmothers" use        it)  

12) Quite dead today. Was really good before, State Of The      Art!

Best Regards: pertti.ryynanen@pp.nic.fi

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