Cocolino PS2 adapter and optical mice

[mindprober]

Hello! Can anyone provide a short list of optical mice that work with this adapter? The specs claim that it is compatible with "Microsoft's Intellimouse Wheel protocol", but it does not work with my Microsoft Intellimouse Optical. I'm trying to use the original model that closely resembles this unit below but without the extra buttons on the side:

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=004

The Cocolino works fine with my Logitech USB (non-optical) Wheel Mouse.

I am using a PS/2-USB adapter on the Cocolino for both mice I have tried, by the way, as I do not think there are any optical mice with PS/2 plugs on the market.


Thanks,

Jeff

[Tahoe]

My Logitech MX310 Optical mouse works flawlessly!  :-D

[mindprober]

That reminds me...I did try another Logitech brand mouse. It is their "basic" optical wheel mouse and it did not work either! Funny that the non-optical Logitech works okay but not the optical.

I was considering other Logitech optical mice but I just don't like their latest designs. Those ergo-shapes and multiple buttons just don't work for me. I would have been okay with the MX300, but that is no longer available.

Jeff

Tahoe wrote:
My Logitech MX310 Optical mouse works flawlessly!  :-D

[Thomas]

Every PS/2 mouse should work with the Cocolino, optical or not.

The matter with USB/PS2 adapters is the same as with PS2/serial adapters: the mouse has to support both modes. An USB-only mouse does not work with an USB/PS2 adapter of another mouse. Usually a mouse which did not come with an adapter does not work with an adapter.

I have two Logitech optical mice (one cordless and one with a long tail) and both work without problems. As do cordless and non-cordless mice with a ball. I didn't yet find a mouse which didn't work.

Bye,
Thomas

[delshay]

it also works with logitech mx1000 top of the range lazer/radio mouse..

[dnelsonfl]

jdryyz wrote:
The specs claim that it is compatible with "Microsoft's Intellimouse Wheel protocol", but it does not work with my Microsoft Intellimouse Optical.

Hi, I used a plain USB/PS2 Microsoft "Wheel Mouse Optical" for over a year without any problems. I'm currently using the "Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer" (also USB/PS2) with the Cocolino. No problems. I haven't installed the driver to activate the other buttons yet, but moving around and left clicking has been working fine.

-David

[Alma96]

@Thomas,

Hi,

I have heard that there might be a power problem with mice which requires 100mA to work, since the Amiga mouse port is only able to provide 50mA. I've had a look on several optical mouse and I found that they all need 100mA...

Is this a problem ?

[Thomas]

Yes, that could be the problem. I don't know if it's different on an A4000 because I use the Cocolino on an A4000 only.

Bye,
Thomas

[mindprober]

This makes the most sense so far, as the mouse I am having trouble with did *not* originally come with a PS/2 adapter. It is marketed as a 'USB mouse' only.

I must correct what I said previously also. Not *all* of my optical mice cease to function with the Cocolino. As it turns out, the Microsoft Optical Wheel mouse is working fine! I somehow lumped it in with the Logitech as having trouble as well. I was so pleased to discover the the MS Optical was working, I went out and picked up a black colored one to match my keyboard, monitor, etc. My original "Wheel Mouse Optical" was white.  

And to answer the other suggestion that power may be involved-- both my working Wheel Mouse Optical and the non-working Logitech optical are rated at "5V, 100mA". Incidentally, I am using the Cocolino with an A3000 desktop.

That is interesting about the "modes" making the difference in this case.

Thomas wrote:

Every PS/2 mouse should work with the Cocolino, optical or not.

The matter with USB/PS2 adapters is the same as with PS2/serial adapters: the mouse has to support both modes. An USB-only mouse does not work with an USB/PS2 adapter of another mouse. Usually a mouse which did not come with an adapter does not work with an adapter.

I have two Logitech optical mice (one cordless and one with a long tail) and both work without problems. As do cordless and non-cordless mice with a ball. I didn't yet find a mouse which didn't work.

Bye,
Thomas

[Thomas]

That is interesting about the "modes" making the difference in this case.

Perhaps "protocols" is a better word. The adapters don't contain any logic and as serial, PS/2 and USB use different protocols, the mouse has to recognise where it is connected to and use the according protocol.

Bye,
Thomas

[Tahoe]

There must be some kind of logic in them, I have seen very funny things with these USB -> PS/2 connectors. Keyboard (purple) converters don't work with Mice and vice versa. Also I have seen Logitech converters that wouldn't work with *some* micorsoft mice and Microsoft converters not working with *some* logitech mice.
Most striking was my Razor Boomslang mouse, it will only work with the supplied converter, not with a logitech or microsoft one.....

[mindprober]

Funny that my google search would bring me an Amiga.org post I originally started over ten years ago. Hah.

I already know that "any PS/2 capable" mouse should work. I am now in search of both an optical AND wireless mouse that will work with the Cocolino due to my reduced work space.

I was hoping my Logitech MX700 (http://stuartconnections.com/products/Computers/Peripherals/Mice/Logitech/MX700_Adapter_and_Receiver/description.htm) would be a perfect fit because the charger's cable has a dedicated PS/2 mouse connection!

No go with the Cocolino, though.

The only other Amiga-specific item I found is up on AmigaKit's site:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=357¤cy=USD

but I already have the Cocolino adapter and just not sure if I would like the mouse they have pictured.

Are there any other optical+wireless mice known to work with the Cocolino? I would even consider a different adapter, but I am pretty certain most of the others I have come across would be similar if not identical to the Cocolino, meaning PS/2 support only.

I know I could go full out and get a USB add-on card for the A1200 but that seems like overkill just to support a mouse.

[bbond007]

I know I could go full out and get a USB add-on card for the A1200 but that seems like overkill just to support a mouse.

Don't go that route for a mouse because it won't be compatible with way too many things.

I use a USB to PS2 mouse/keyboard adapter with PS2 to Amiga adapters... works well with the logitech unifying devices.

[mindprober]

Thanks for the tip. I am also using a PS/2 to USB adapter with my Cocolino. I was surprised my MX700 did not work especially since someone mentioned that the MX1000 worked.

Now with the Logitech Unifying devices I would expect even less compatibility. Isn't that all USB only? I have a Logitech V450 Nano mouse and a K400 wireless keyboard/trackpad combo I could try but with no mention of PS/2 support on these devices, I do not expect success.

Can you tell me the specific Unifying device you had success with?

Don't go that route for a mouse because it won't be compatible with way too many things.

I use a USB to PS2 mouse/keyboard adapter with PS2 to Amiga adapters... works well with the logitech unifying devices.

[bbond007]

Can you tell me the specific Unifying device you had success with?

I know I've used the K800 keyboard. Not sure of the mouse model number. I find very little stuff that won't work, but occasionally something won't work like cosair keyboards.

Its an active USB->PS2 adapter and they are not cheap. Its not just some pass-through thing. Its similar to this:

https://www.startech.com/Server-Management/KVM-Switches/PS-2-to-USB-Keyboard-and-Mouse-Adapter~PS22USB

I also have a Logitech wireless PS2/USB optical mouse I use with my minimig. Its probably going to be hard to find but the part # is 810-000154