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Offline lurkistTopic starter

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Website creation help required
« on: March 19, 2003, 03:32:01 PM »
This is my index.html code.  Can anyone tell me if I need head and body tags and where to put them.  Also, do I need to put title and meta tags in the subdirectories (description, discography, frontpage)  



SNACKS - SOUTH WALES SUPERGROUP featuring Simon Teague and Firass Sumrein













Also, when I type "simon teague" in Google, it only finds my discography page even though all the pages are preceded by simon.teague  Why?

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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2003, 03:42:21 PM »
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Can anyone tell me if I need head and body tags and where to put them


The head tags should be around title and the meta tags I think.

If frameset tags are used you don't need body tags since the frameset tag is used instead of body tags.

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Also, when I type "simon teague" in Google, it only finds my discography page even though all the pages are preceded by simon.teague Why?


Google updates it's indexes on a certain interval. I think it's something like once every week or two, so it takes a while for changes to your site to show up in Google.
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2003, 03:44:09 PM »
yes you need tags around the title and meta stuff. right after the ending tag, the tag should be placed. Ending tag must be right before .

not exactly sure about how google indexes pages, tho'.
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2003, 03:45:19 PM »
@Casper

sorry. was typing while you made your post. :-)
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2003, 03:50:54 PM »
Hi there..

You should enclose your meta information and page title in the head section.

Since your index is a frameset, you don't really require a body section. However, it can be useful as a place to store other information that web crawlers may find (they don't just look at meta data). It won't show up in anybodys browser, unless they can't support frames. You could stick a header 'update your browser, I guess ;-)

To be fully strict, if you use a body in the frameset page (for whatever reason) you should embed it within a noframes tag...



Welcome to my site
...meta data etc...



...etc...


<br /><body><br /><h1>You need to update your browser to one that supports frames!</h1><br /></body><br />
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2003, 04:05:45 PM »
OK, thanks for the advice.  We seem to have some conflicting views on where the BODY tags should be, or if they should be there at all.  Index now looks like this-



SNACKS - SOUTH WALES SUPERGROUP featuring Simon Teague and Firass Sumrein




Snacks - Simon Teague, Firass Sumrein, Tom Downes, Emma Teague, Nik Minas, Liz Lloyd.   South Wales Metal / Ambient Supergroup










It was useful to know that text in the index body would not show up in the end result, I was wary of including it in case it looked crap.
The end result is here -

http://users.0800dial.com/simon.teague

Time will tell if the search engines respond better.

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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2003, 04:14:46 PM »
Hi, just checked...

Your page does not display as I think (in my humble web desigers' opinion) you intended it to.

Don't put the frameset *in* the body tag. Look at the code I wrote again


   
      Title
   

   
   

   <br />&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp<body><br />&nbsp;&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbspYou can put whatever you want here, nobody will see. Unless their browser doesn't support frames!<br />&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp</body><br />&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2003, 04:21:01 PM »
http://www.boogiejack.com/

i have this guys book. it's VERY useful even for people - like me - who know something about html, but would like a bit of help here and there.

his web site is also useful.

one word of warning. make sure you use code which is NOT browser-specific. that is, only used by Exploder (IE). i use opera and check all my pages in that as well as IE. opera is like mozzilla (sort of). except even better. in windows i use version 6.05 which is more stable at the moment than 7.
anyway, my point is that Opera is much more code legal than IE.

writing code that only works in IE is rude and i hate that!

the above site has advice on meta tags and getting serch engines to notice the pages.
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2003, 04:34:21 PM »
Okay, I was gonna answer this, but Karl has hit the nail right on the head  :-D

I bow to your all powerful html knowledge  :-P
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2003, 04:36:48 PM »
Hi Pete,

:-P

It's funny innit?. Programming and web development... How come I still can't get a decent job then?

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Before anybody says it...I had a haircut since that avatar image too :lol:

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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2003, 04:43:03 PM »
Hmmmm, good question...

If I find the answer I'm not gonna tell you, cos I want to get the job first!
 :-D

Had your hair cut... I hadn't noticed  :-P
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2003, 06:24:24 PM »
Do I need a BODY at all?  I have nothing to put in it, so would




be required, or could I just leave it out?  A head without a body sounds bad...





SNACKS - SOUTH WALES SUPERGROUP featuring Simon Teague and Firass Sumrein



Snacks - Simon Teague, Firass Sumrein, Tom Downes, Emma Teague, Nik Minas, Liz Lloyd.   South Wales Metal / Ambient Supergroup










Also theres the question of whether or not to put the META stuff in the subdirectories.
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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2003, 08:45:00 PM »
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lurkist wrote:
Do I need a BODY at all?  I have nothing to put in it, so would



be required, or could I just leave it out?  A head without a body sounds bad...


You don't need a body at all unless you use the tag.  In all honesty you really should create a section with nothing but navigation to the links of the rest of the page. &nbsp;There are still people out there who browse web sites without frames.<br /><br />Sample page, cut and snip if you want:<br /><br />----- Begin cut -----<br /><!doctype html public &quot;-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN&quot;><br /><html><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;<head><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<title>SNACKS - SOUTH WALES SUPERGROUP featuring Simon Teague and Firass Sumrein</title><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<meta name=&quot;description&quot; content=&quot;Snacks - Metal / Ambient Band from S.Wales&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<meta name=&quot;keywords&quot; content=&quot;snacks, music, simon, firass, fizz, liz, nik, minas, emma, tom, teeg, teague, sumrein, downes, south wales&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</head><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;<frameset cols=&quot;52%,48%&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<frame src=&quot;frontpage.html&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<frameset rows=&quot;75%,25%&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<frame src=&quot;discography.html&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<frame src=&quot;description.html&quot;><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</frameset><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;</frameset><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;<noframes><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<body><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<p>This page uses frames... try these links</p><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=&quot;frontpage.html&quot;>Home</a> |<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=&quot;discography.html&quot;>Discography</a> |<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=&quot;description.html&quot;>About us</a> |<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=&quot;mailto:someemailaddress@yourisp.extension&quot;>Contact us</a><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</body><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;

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Also theres the question of whether or not to put the META stuff in the subdirectories.


If you want those pages to be found by a search engine then by all means add the meta description and keywords as well as a thorough title defining what it is.  Say if it's the discography page, don't use the same title as the frameset page, but change it to say it's the discography section of the site.

Hope that helps.  Still have your old site you guys did on my drive though, kind of funny I found this thread.

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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2003, 09:35:36 PM »
For HTML, the header tags should go around the and <meta> tags with the framesets where the body part would normally go. <br /><br />About Google, you might try putting "simon teague" as the title or <meta author='simon teague'> or something like that on the pages. I understand Google, and other search engines, pay attention to the page title when trying to figure out what the page is about. I've also heard it suggested that for internal pages, put  the contents in reverse order, e.g. instead of<title> My Home Site, Products, Baseball bat  use Baseball Bat, Products, My Home Site


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Re: Website creation help required
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2003, 12:48:49 AM »
Excellent, all the answers I wanted are here, and I hope it is reflected in the site.  I am not going to cut n' paste, as it would then not be "mine", but great tips from great minds.  Cheers!
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