A1200 to WinXP PC Networking

[KennyR]

(Posted for a friend).

Could someone please end my amiga -> winxp network nightmare. I`v set it all up but I cant get either machine to talk to each other. Im using winxp (sp1) with 2 belkin ethernet pci cards, one connected to ntl cable via an ntl set top box, the other connected by a crossover cat5 ethernet cable to a netgear FA 410tx pcmcia card on the A1200 using cnet device. (note. a router isnt an option)

my Miami setup (3.2b): Interfaces > Sana 2 ethernet, driver=cnetdevice unit=0
                                    IP type=static      IP=192.168.1.2
                                    Network type=static netmask=255.255.255.0
                                    Gateway=static      IP=192.168.1.1
                                    multicasts=send as multicasts
I can query the pcmcia card for sana2 parameters and i have the two lan ips in the hosts database. The link light at both ends is in the connected state and miami goes "online".

windows setup: link speed 10mbps full mode (doesnt even enable the connection on anything else)authentication off. client for m$ networks ticked, file and printer sharing ticked, tcp/ip ticked. tcp/ip properties > IP address=192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 default gateway blank (also tried with both lan ips no luck) DNS servers blank and in advanced settings enable netBIOS over tcp/ip ticked. I`v also tried wingate, proxy+ and winroute with no success. Any help greatly apreciated.

[SilvrDrgn]

On the WinXP computer, set the gateway to 192.168.1.2 (the IP address of the A1200) for the NIC that is connected to the Amiga.  You can't leave it blank, because it won't know where to send any packets.  You will also probably want to set it for half duplex mode.

[Quixote]

;-) Well, first things first.  Can each machine “ping” the other?  This will establish whether the hardware connection is valid.  If so, we’re left with a software or configuration issue.  Have your friend open a command prompt on the PC, and a shell on the Amiga.  Type:

ping

into the window.  If the data packets are returned successfully, we can move on.

:-? Next thought, netBIOS is set to OFF on my PC, as Samba runs just fine without it.  Which software are you trying to run over your TCP/IP stack?

[KennyR]

Well, first things first. Can each machine ?ping? the other?

No, they can't even do that. That's the whole problem.

Next thought, netBIOS is set to OFF on my PC, as Samba runs just fine without it. Which software are you trying to run over your TCP/IP stack?

None, yet. Until the machines can be made to simply ping each other, there's no going forward at all.

[SilvrDrgn]

@ KennyR,
Are you sure that your PCMCIA card is supported by cnet.device

@ Quixote,
You've got Samba working on your Amiga talking to Win-DOHS XP??  I'd really like to know how you did that.  I had it working with Windows 2000, but I can't get it to talk to my Win-DOHS XP laptop at all.

[KennyR]

Are you sure that your PCMCIA card is supported by cnet.device

Absolutely sure. I know several people who use exactly the same card without problems. And if cnet didn't support the card, it would not go online at all.

You've got Samba working on your Amiga talking to Win-DOHS XP??

So have I (but not my friend, who has the problems). It's no different that doing it on Windows98. Just make sure WinXP isn't firewalling the connection.

[KennyR]

et the gateway to 192.168.1.2 (the IP address of the A1200) for the NIC that is connected to the Amiga. You can't leave it blank, because it won't know where to send any packets. You will also probably want to set it for half duplex mode.

Both done, thanks. But still nothing.

[SilvrDrgn]

Try connecting the Amiga to the cable modem (with a standard Ethernet cable) and see if it can talk to that.  Or try connecting it to your PC with two standard Ethernet cables and a hub in between.  If either one of the above works, then your crossover cable is probably bad.

[Quixote]

SilvrDrgn SoundedDelerious:

@ Quixote,
You've got Samba working on your Amiga talking to Win-DOHS XP??  I'd really like to know how you did that.

;-) Nope, I'm running a second-hand copy of WinNT.  I wouldn't touch XP with a ten foot pole.

[KennyR]

Try connecting the Amiga to the cable modem (with a standard Ethernet cable) and see if it can talk to that.

I'm not sure that's possible. It's a DSL modem, not cable, and has been set up to use the PC's MAC address, and I think it uses PPPoA, which the Amiga doesn't support in any form.

Or try connecting it to your PC with two standard Ethernet cables and a hub in between.

Buying any extra hardware such as routers and hubs is not a possibility, unfortunately.

[SilvrDrgn]

I'm not sure that's possible. It's a DSL modem, not cable, and has been set up to use the PC's MAC address, and I think it uses PPPoA, which the Amiga doesn't support in any form.

It might not matter that the Amiga doesn't support it.  Maybe it will be enough just to see if the Amiga's PCMCIA card simply connects to the DSL modem.

Buying any extra hardware such as routers and hubs is not a possibility, unfortunately.

It may not be a possibility, but you still need to consider that your crossover cable might be bad.

[z36ra]

I don't understand why a router wouldn't be an option. Is it because of the mac address issue. Routers have a mac address as well.

If the machines can't ping each other and the WinXP machine can ping other machines then check the PCMCIA card in a laptop to make sure it is not bad.

If you're using a hub then you don't need crossover. Get rid of the crossover in that case. You have to have two network cards in the WinXP machine wether you have a hub/switch/router or not... one for the DSL and one for your gateway. Make the one connected to the DSL your Static IP or PPPOE address. Make the other one 192.168.0.1 and the subnet 255.255.255.0. Set your PCMCIA cards address as 192.168.0.2 and a subnet of 255.255.255.0 with a gateway of 192.168.0.1. Valid addresses for the PCMCIA card are 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.254. You can use no other IP numbers with that subnet and you will have to calculate valid IP addresses if you use another subnet unless the other octets remain the same. Another example would be if you use 192.168.1.1 as your gateway and a subnet of 255.255.255.0. Then you would set your host to 192.168.1.2 and asubnet of 255.255.255.0.

hope this info solves your problem. I am going to have to go thru a similar problem as soon as my 1200 arrives... yes I'm new to Amiga but I know networking.

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KennyR wrote:

Try connecting the Amiga to the cable modem (with a standard Ethernet cable) and see if it can talk to that.

I'm not sure that's possible. It's a DSL modem, not cable, and has been set up to use the PC's MAC address, and I think it uses PPPoA, which the Amiga doesn't support in any form.

Or try connecting it to your PC with two standard Ethernet cables and a hub in between.

Buying any extra hardware such as routers and hubs is not a possibility, unfortunately.[/quote]

[KennyR]

I don't understand why a router wouldn't be an option.

Too expensive. My friend has no more money left to buy any routers or hubs for the moment.

Thanks for your other info, but it's pretty much the same advice that I gave him, and he's tried lots of configurations. But no luck. I was hoping it was a WinXP configuration problem with having two network cards and that someone knew a fix.

[Quixote]

KennyR wrote:

I was hoping it was a WinXP configuration problem with having two network cards and that someone knew a fix.

:-? Wait a minute, wouldn't the PC require a separate IP address for each of its network cards?  Maybe I’m confused there; none of my machines function as a gateway, so I haven’t encountered that.  That, at least, is a possibility you can check without spending any money.

Also, it occurs to me that unless the computers are connected directly to one another, you should use one-to-one cables instead of crossover cables.  

Try working out the connection problem by reducing it as much as possible. Try using a crossover cable to temporarily connect one machine directly to the other without any other equipment involved.  If you cannot ping under those circumstances, then it’s a hardware fault with either one of the cards, or the cable.  Check each of these with known good equipment, if possible, to determine which is at fault.  If you can ping while connected that way, try adding other bits one at a time, testing after each addition.

At the risk of repeating what has already bben said take it step by step.
1. Make sure that each machine can ping itself by both the loopback address (127.0.0.1) and by the address assigned to the nic in question (i.e.  if the Amiga is 192.168.0.2 then it should be able to ping 192.168.0.2 the same goes for the pc) if they can ping themselves then you can go to the next step.
2. Check to see if the machines can ping each other. If not there are a few reasons why not. Now if step one works then it must be a configuration error. There is a firewall in XP (not a good one though) disable it if it is running, and try the ping again. (Side note: if you want a good firewall try Zonealarm its free and quite good. Also you may wish to try Proxy from analogx.com if you want to share the internet connection.) Here is how the basic setup should be (ignore the dsl for the moment)

-----Amiga (192.168.0.2)(255.255.255.0)
          |
          |(crossover cable)
          |
          |
-----XP (192.168.0.1)(255.255.255.0)

I have a similar setup at my home (win98) and my machines can ping each other. To add an internet connection the result would be:

-----Amiga (192.168.0.2)(255.255.255.0)
          |
          | (crossover cable)
          |
          |
-----XP (192.168.0.1)(255.255.255.0)belkin 1
        (static ip) belkin 2
          |
          |
          |
          |
-----dsl modem
Remember to install proxy on the XP machine and set proxy binding to 192.168.0.1 and you should be able to share the connection. I hope this helps.