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IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« on: June 30, 2005, 03:12:52 PM »
I dont know if this issue was allready raised here, but is there a chance now, when Apple ditched IBM to pull that chips Amiga Inc way ?

This would put Amiga boxes in elite 64 bit society.

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2005, 03:21:47 PM »
G5 Upgrades for all current A1 models (including the two unreleased models) are impossible. And do you really think IBM will do G5 only for Amiga when Apple left? They wouldnt even think about it for some hundred cpus.



 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2005, 03:28:26 PM »
I expect IBM will stop producing the 970 at the end of the year/early next year. Don't expect to see any further development of desktop PPC chips.

Freescale will continue to develop their lowpower 7447 family of chips. These could be used by Amiga companies I guess.

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2005, 08:55:12 PM »
Rumor has it that after the AmigaOnes they will be skipping straight to the Cell processor and skipping the 970 series altogether.
 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2005, 10:31:24 PM »
I doubt we will ever see OS4 on the cell.  As far as I'm
concerned, cell really is not a very impressive processor.
I don't think it was designed with desktop style computing
in mind.

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2005, 11:09:12 PM »
Supposedly the Nintendo Revolution will include a multi-core G5.  Hence G5's will be around for another 5 years...
 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2005, 11:43:26 PM »
So Apple"s decision has put dark side of the force on PowerPerformanceChip in general.

Which alternative, besides cell, Amiga have in say 4-5 years ?

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2005, 01:49:17 AM »
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Supposedly the Nintendo Revolution will include a multi-core G5.  Hence G5's will be around for another 5 years...


But it will use custom microcodes like the gecko before it thus requiring a licence to produce custom software for the Revolution (even though Nintendo claims their system will be more open to independant developers).

Besides the Revolution is rumored not to support HDTV natively.
 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2005, 05:37:30 AM »
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So Apple"s decision has put dark side of the force on PowerPerformanceChip in general.

Which alternative, besides cell, Amiga have in say 4-5 years ?

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If we knew which processors companies are going to use in the future do you think we'd waste time posting to Amiga.org ?  I know I'd be out in my car having fun ... :-)

But peering into my crystal ball I see an Amigaless future ... personally I think the platform is going to fail (again), it was nice but now it just doesn't have anything at all that makes it standout or give it an edge, just a rehash of ideas that are already out in the world.  Major innovation required.
 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2005, 09:39:59 AM »
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Supposedly the Nintendo Revolution will include a multi-core G5. Hence G5's will be around for another 5 years...

You mean a custom-designed, system-on-a-chip based on the PPC.

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But peering into my crystal ball I see an Amigaless future ... personally I think the platform is going to fail (again), it was nice but now it just doesn't have anything at all that makes it standout or give it an edge, just a rehash of ideas that are already out in the world. Major innovation required.

Exactly.  The CPU doesn't matter in my opinion, as the software is just too far underdeveloped.

Thus, the ultimate irony:  the Amiga was made famous for its custom chips, but Amigans today waste all their time with idiotic x86 vs PPC flamewars.  A CPU alone doesn't make a system.

So long as I have to pay $600-800 for a largely outdated "Amiga" that is blown away by a $200 PC and comes with an OS that is based on technology several years old, I'm going to buy a PC.  Windows is frustrating, but not enough to force me to pay obscene amounts of money and deal with hardly any real software.  A community of a few thousand people is not going to produce any meaningful software except for millions of Linux ports, which alreay run on every other system out there.

Amiga should have done what Apple did.  Use an existing OS and built a new Workbench.  Why not?  It's not like Amiga is smart enough to use revolutionary, non-UNIX techniques like transparrent persistence, anyway.

Also, nobody really gives a damn to make a programmer's life easier, except for the virtual machine platforms like Java.  Java didn't become popular because it's fast and bug free, you know.  We need good tools, not a PPC.
 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2005, 11:40:53 AM »
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Rumor has it that after the AmigaOnes they will be skipping straight to the Cell processor and skipping the 970 series altogether.


Who is "they"?

EyeTech have clealy stated that there will be no new "Amiga" designs.

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2005, 04:11:08 AM »
Hyperion-Entertainment, of course.
 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2005, 05:02:09 AM »
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I doubt we will ever see OS4 on the cell. As far as I'm
concerned, cell really is not a very impressive processor.
I don't think it was designed with desktop style computing
in mind.


Cell CPU? Bleh!

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2005, 05:12:14 AM »
Yup, Bleh!

Cell isn't designed for desktop computing.  I wouldnt wish cell on the Amiga, it has enough troubles.

 

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Re: IBM G5/Power 5 in AmigaOne/Two ?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2005, 06:26:11 AM »
I have heard that the cell cpus are for some reason limited to the usage of only 256meg ram max. I honestly dont know if this is really true, but it would not be a good thing if it was..